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North Korea has always been notorious for its human rights violations. Recently, the totalitarian dictatorship has been drawing criticism for the assassination of Kim Jong Nam, the estranged half-brother of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming:” Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. “
I browsed its website and found this on its statement:
“If you would like to offer anonymous financial support for our protection efforts, please use the below Bitcoin wallet address, with our deepest thanks:
134ytYQnZVAEVV6YZVfx1NBUGc9GY45FBm”
Out of curiosity, I checked transaction records of the address and found that 24 transactions have been made with 2.7 bitcoins in total within two days.
Now you might wonder as I do, where are these anonymous donors from?
Could it be China?
The statement released by CCD thanked China for its assistance. Plus, Han Sol had been living in Macau under Beijing’s protection after the family went into exile a several years ago.
Could it be Japan?
North Korea fired four ballistic missiles early Monday morning with some landing in waters as close as 300km(190miles) from Japan’s northwest coast. Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe strongly protested that:
“The launches are clearly in violation of security council resolutions. It is an extremely dangerous action.”
It sounds reasonable that Japanese bitcoin investors would support CCD.
Could it be America who has been imposing sanctions on North Korea?
It could be anyone. We never know.
But does it really matter?
Now with bitcoin, on the one hand, every man and woman of integrity can reach out to others by offering financial support to organizations fighting for human rights, gender equality, LGBT community and justice without worrying about a privacy leak. On the other hand, however, it could also be used for drugs, crimes, terrorism. Does this make bitcoin bad?
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Guess now I can use bitcoin to support Anonymous. And my beloved China will nv find out.
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that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
Who can verify the news is factual? Or simply made up?I have a member that was the head of a major mafia gang with global network. He managed the financials of this gang and at one time he was responsible to launder as much as 20% of the entire supply of Bitcoin available. It was no easy task. He had to use various means to spread (sort of) the Bitcoin allocation to various investment assets under the radar. Or course some of the means to do so includes using the services of localbitcoins.com and some unknown Bitcoin exchanges. Others include buying Bitcoin tokens from Chinese mining companies using Bitcoin itself. Today the gang has no more Bitcoin left. All successfully laundered into fiat. Do you believe this story? Who can verify as facts?Even I can write fake news.And by the way, did I tell you of a friend that is the step daughter of the ex-Phillipino prime minister? Apparently she is in ownership of some half a ton of pure gold bars.
Quote from: Dorky on April 06, 2017, 05:45:08 AM
Who can verify the news is factual? Or simply made up?I have a member that was the head of a major mafia gang with global network. He managed the financials of this gang and at one time he was responsible to launder as much as 20% of the entire supply of Bitcoin available. It was no easy task. He had to use various means to spread (sort of) the Bitcoin allocation to various investment assets under the radar. Or course some of the means to do so includes using the services of localbitcoins.com and some unknown Bitcoin exchanges. Others include buying Bitcoin tokens from Chinese mining companies using Bitcoin itself. Today the gang has no more Bitcoin left. All successfully laundered into fiat. Do you believe this story? Who can verify as facts?Even I can write fake news.And by the way, did I tell you of a friend that is the step daughter of the ex-Phillipino prime minister? Apparently she is in ownership of some half a ton of pure gold bars.
how could u not buy this story? didn’t they release a video on You tube?
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:49:43 AM
how could u not buy this story? didn’t they release a video on You tube?
Yeah, I am willing to buy the story. How much is it?
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
Do you have any proof for this news? I want to read the whole article but if this is for real. It doesn’t matter if they are going to use bitcoin for supporting terrorists. How about fiat money, dollars and everything that does have value? They are using it for supporting those people and it’s up to them if they will use it for good or bad.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
throwing in random names doesn’t make the story more believable and no, I assure you that there is no idiot in the whole world that is going to choose bitcoin (with 100% public, open to the whole world transactions) over easy fiat/cash such as using USD which is 100% anonymous, non-traceable and acceptable everywhere in the whole world.p.s. your username seems to be matching the kind of topics you create in this forum.
Bitcoin is anonymous so that it can be freely used by anyone including the terrorists, I believe the current terrorist transactions will be redirected to the bitcoin so as to make them are not tracked.
They are already using fiat for their financial needs. Bitcoin does not directly enable them to do more. It could make certain transactions easier though, but the same goes for any new technology. Bad people can always use it for their purposes as well. Does this mean we should stop technology development?
OP, believe me, you want that to happen. If you think “mainstream adoption” will take Bitcoin use to another level then you are gravely mistaken. It is the criminal, underworld use of Bitcoin that will take it to new heights in price and technology-wise.
Quote from: NorrisK on April 06, 2017, 08:46:51 AM
They are already using fiat for their financial needs. Bitcoin does not directly enable them to do more. It could make certain transactions easier though, but the same goes for any new technology. Bad people can always use it for their purposes as well. Does this mean we should stop technology development?
Here comes the question: if bitcoin be used for evil purposes, will we be able to stop them? And who will lead the effort to stop them?
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: NorrisK on April 06, 2017, 08:46:51 AM
They are already using fiat for their financial needs. Bitcoin does not directly enable them to do more. It could make certain transactions easier though, but the same goes for any new technology. Bad people can always use it for their purposes as well. Does this mean we should stop technology development?
Here comes the question: if bitcoin be used for evil purposes, will we be able to stop them? And who will lead the effort to stop them?
If fiat is used for evil purposes, will we be able to stop them? And who will lead the effort to stop them?Same question, with the same answer. Law enforcement will lead the offort to stop them, sometimes we may be able to stop them, sometimes we cannot. Fiat is still the biggest currency for illegal transactions. That something CAN be used for something does not mean that that is the only thing that it can be used for.
Quote from: Dorky on April 06, 2017, 05:55:11 AM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:49:43 AM
how could u not buy this story? didn’t they release a video on You tube?
Yeah, I am willing to buy the story. How much is it?
Since your name also starts with D as i do, i’d say 1 DOLLAR. Plus u speak really nice. seriously, u really think this is something that will not happen? What i am wondering is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, news would flood in and bitcoin price might drop. That’s my whole point.
Bitcoin is a valuable things, so some people will try to used it for bad things, especially it had anonymity feature, it can’t be avoided, US dollar also being used for bad things, but it is just a medium, as long as it is valuable it can be used for bad thing, so don’t blame bitcoin but blame the person that used it for bad things
This has been talked many times here. Do you guys even read the forum from time to time? you all are talking about the same thing over and over again
It’s kind of funny when people try to state these things and they don’t mention the amount of cash they received as well. It’s either that or they try to make it look like it’s because of Bitcoin these people have weapon access and other crazy stuff.Bitcoin is just a regular thing, it’s less valuable than cash while growing very famous among the people in the world so there is a reason why the Governments are afraid of Bitcoin.
Quote from: Anarchist on April 06, 2017, 09:25:23 AM
This has been talked many times here. Do you guys even read the forum from time to time? you all are talking about the same thing over and over again
I know. You can literally find a same topic about bitcoin and terrorism maybe on 2nd or 3rd page of this board itself.
Bitcoin are not generally used for funding terrorist group. Banks already support money laundering, you can google some bank scandals. Yes bitcoin can be used for the same but so anything that have value. Due to the limited use of bitcoin, it is still not preferred.
The world industry also supports terrorists.The guns are made by industry. The chemicals for the bombs are made by the industry. The phones they use to communicate are made by industry.The central banks support terrorists.The central banks issue the money, right? The money is used to buy their food, their guns and everything.Now really, these “X supports terrorists” threads are tiresome. Almost everything in this world can be used for good and bad.
I don’t think there is a big difference between fiat and bitcoin, of course, the value is a difference, but the same terrorists are doing their activities with fiat currency only when compared to bitcoin. In order to convert bitcoin they need fiat currency first, yes there are some people who are using bitcoin for terrorist activity.
Can you be 100% sure Fiat is not used. And wait a second what is Bitcoins converted into Fiat only right. And do you agree that there was no transactions link to verify this story. It could all have been paid in cash and for the sole purpose of diverting people attention it was said it’s been paid in Bitcoins. Sadly ya I do agree people could use Bitcoins for shady purposes, but that’s very small amount of people not all do. These are kind of people get the Bitcoin community the bad name.
I think many terorist are used bitcoin already by receiving and sending money for buying weapons in black market.. this is already been discuss before and i think they are still using bitcoin as of now.. remember many terorist in the black market who are selling weapons or buying weapons.. but bitcoin is not made just to support terrorist since bitcoin is made to use for paying services..
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
Any currency can be used to support terrorists but it is not the fault of the currency itself…the only thing is that since Bitcoin is new it is raising some eyebrows and there are still so many people who are not convinced of its viability. Fiat currencies are being used to finance terrorist activities but they are rarely mentioned because it is pointless doing so. As to Bitcoin, this scenario is something it can not avoid because of its supposed anonymity feature but Bitcoin transactions can still be traced and we know it so it is not actually 100% anonymous. Unfortunately, we can not command terrorist groups not to use Bitcoin.
Quote from: crairezx20 on April 06, 2017, 11:00:29 AM
I think many terorist are used bitcoin already by receiving and sending money for buying weapons in black market.. this is already been discuss before and i think they are still using bitcoin as of now.. remember many terorist in the black market who are selling weapons or buying weapons.. but bitcoin is not made just to support terrorist since bitcoin is made to use for paying services..
Actually, there are more terorist who used fiat money to buy some weapons rather than the terorist who used bitcoin to buy/sell weapons. It’s clear that bitcoin isn’t made to be used for illegal activities that are against to the government or nation since some governments in other country are now supporting bitcoin to be used as majore currency which indicate that bitcoin is a legal currency that its user shouldn’t be discourage to initiate using it for online transactions.
Quote from: btcdiggingmaster on April 06, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
I don’t think there is a big difference between fiat and bitcoin, of course, the value is a difference, but the same terrorists are doing their activities with fiat currency only when compared to bitcoin. In order to convert bitcoin they need fiat currency first, yes there are some people who are using bitcoin for terrorist activity.
The difference between Bitcoin and fiat is very little and the Governments and people that promote bitcoin as a terroristic thing don’t know the technical side of Bitcoin.The news that they get is usually from some dude who didn’t even research what Bitcoin was about and just decided to banter on the subject in a negative matter.If more journalist’s did their jobs then there would be a little amount of square people on this topic..
Quote from: HongKong on April 06, 2017, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: btcdiggingmaster on April 06, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
I don’t think there is a big difference between fiat and bitcoin, of course, the value is a difference, but the same terrorists are doing their activities with fiat currency only when compared to bitcoin. In order to convert bitcoin they need fiat currency first, yes there are some people who are using bitcoin for terrorist activity.
The difference between Bitcoin and fiat is very little and the Governments and people that promote bitcoin as a terroristic thing don’t know the technical side of Bitcoin.The news that they get is usually from some dude who didn’t even research what Bitcoin was about and just decided to banter on the subject in a negative matter.If more journalist did their jobs then there would be a little amount of square people on this topic..
I don’t know whether OP knows complete information about terrorist activities for buying weapons, food etc are they using bitcoin. It is complete a trash because now there are very limited stores to buy food and other stuff, right now it is not possible. Mainly they are dealing with fiat currency only I think.
Of course it will. If it hasn’t already then it will eventually. Terrorists like a bit of convenience just as much as the next man.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 08:52:24 AM
Here comes the question: if bitcoin be used for evil purposes, will we be able to stop them? And who will lead the effort to stop them?
In the future when (not if) bitcoin is regulated and network centralized, the combined effects of regulation + centralization itself will be able to limit actions that any person can take with bitcoin. And that includes funding terrorism.Of course with current network structure, any limitation to impose on what a bitcoin holder can and cannot do is not possible. But once everything is in place, that will be a possibility.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
No one can really tell whether its being used or not we can only assume its possible because I have not read of any breakthrough investigation into terrorist activities that has been reported to have been possible through the use of bitcoin at the same time even if that is achieved, it does not mean all bad for bitcoin even fiat has been used for illegal activities and that does not mean its banned from being used again…
Quote from: gentlemand on April 06, 2017, 11:16:24 AM
Of course it will. If it hasn’t already then it will eventually. Terrorists like a bit of convenience just as much as the next man.
Bitcoin provides convenience to all sort of illegal and terrorist activities due to the pseudo anonymity and decentralization.
Bitcoin can used for different domains. By the way, i don’t like this idea about bitcoin be used to support terrorists. Fiat also can be used to these bad things. Bitcoin is a money, you can convert it to money so yes. but this is the bad side of using it. When terrorists cashed by anonymously bitcoin transactions.
I think bitcoin should be used as best as possible. if bitcoin can not be used wisely can certainly lead to negative things. as terrorists, they can take advantage of the distribution and transfer of funds to commit a crime.
Right now it’s easier to stick to fiat for this kind of “thing”.Terrorist are not going to risk their money into dubious exchanges and in no way they are going to start exchanging 100$ via localbitcoins.They need money, a lot of and sadly large transactions in the blockchain can easily be traced.You’re not “funding” terrorist with 100k a month.Also, good luck using bitcoins in Syria or Iraq.
We don’t know the answer to this question if bitcoin is being used in terrorism. Maybe yes, maybe no. Let’s just hope and pray that bitcoin is not being used for those kind of things. Thank you.
Bitcoin is just money or currency, to whatever things it is used depends on the person who have it. So, Bitcoin ca be use in supporting bad things the same way as supporting good things. So definitely, Bitcoin can be use to support terrorists or terrorist activities. Even money that has been regulated for centuries are being used as such.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
That is feasible and possible. If US dollars can be used to buy our necessities it can also be used to finance terrorism. Bitcoin as a currency can also be used in buying our necessities if the local merchants will accept it and at the same time it can be also used to finance terrorism. What I mean is the use of any currency will depend on the intention of the holder. Whether it is bitcoin or dollar the government must secure that both will not be used to fund terrorism and cause many deaths.
Anything can be used for anything, bitcoin, fiat, vouchers and so on the news is always done in a way that hides the fact that as well as bitcoin numerous dollars have been used for the very same thing.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
We cannot control others on how they will use bitcoin just like we cannot control people on how to use fiat. Since bitcoin itself has its value, this type of usage is inevitable. Since you asked if bitcoin is used to support terrorist or any bad organization, I will tell you that nothing will change. Did anyone asked “what if they use fiat to do bad?”, obviously fiat and bitcoin are the same at some point but no one questions the usage of fiat as far as I know.Quote
Is this already happening?
Dude, you placed a date in your post Quote
On March 8th so why are you asking if this is already happening? Isn’t obvious that it is already happening?
Sure, Like paper money (fiat), like the CIA did/do.. Anyone can use cash, gold, Bitcoin or anything else for anything from Humanitary help to terrorist.. Grocery, gas.. It’s like paper money ! but digital !!
We really dont control bitcoin so we dont know for what bitcoin is being used. Bitcoin had been funding illegal transactions for quite long. Bitcoin had been used for money laundering across many countries. So, bitcoin have seen dirty money as well. I wont be surprised if terror outfits use bitcoin for their transactions. Because the structure of bitcoin is designed that way. While it has all the transaction records maintained in a public ledger, but unless and until you know the account name, you cant say what belong to whom.
Not that it will be but it already has been used for supporting terrorism, unfortunately. Terrorist are also closely watching new technologies that could help them in their activities and Bitcoin was ideal because of the anonimity and it was hard to determine the source of funding. Unfortunately we can’t escape Bitcoin beeing used for illegal stuff.
Quote from: NorrisK on April 06, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: NorrisK on April 06, 2017, 08:46:51 AM
They are already using fiat for their financial needs. Bitcoin does not directly enable them to do more. It could make certain transactions easier though, but the same goes for any new technology. Bad people can always use it for their purposes as well. Does this mean we should stop technology development?
Here comes the question: if bitcoin be used for evil purposes, will we be able to stop them? And who will lead the effort to stop them?
If fiat is used for evil purposes, will we be able to stop them? And who will lead the effort to stop them?Same question, with the same answer. Law enforcement will lead the offort to stop them, sometimes we may be able to stop them, sometimes we cannot. Fiat is still the biggest currency for illegal transactions. That something CAN be used for something does not mean that that is the only thing that it can be used for.
Bitcoin makes it easier for them to move value on the internet. Ask yourself, would the dark markets be possible if fiat was used to transact in them? The answer is clearly no. Bitcoin is a god send for criminals.
Everyone can hold his own bitcoin even criminals can obtain his own bitcoin the question here would be if the police can do something about it? which is very hard to do really! transaction over bitcoin will always be anonymous regarding this that is why I think that is the best question regarding some transaction of identify for illegal business, I think bitcoin is not the reason behind, something like this, the real culprit would be the person itself he can surely done anything with his bitcoin.
Quote from: YuginKadoya on April 06, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Everyone can hold his own bitcoin even criminals can obtain his own bitcoin the question here would be if the police can do something about it? which is very hard to do really! transaction over bitcoin will always be anonymous regarding this that is why I think that is the best question regarding some transaction of identify for illegal business, I think bitcoin is not the reason behind, something like this, the real culprit would be the person itself he can surely done anything with his bitcoin.
Nothing is impossible, bitcoin is a tool and remains man himself decisive.Bitcoin is anonymous, and allows anyone or any party to use it for good things or bad things like terrorism.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
NO, of course bitcoin wouldn’t support such thing like terrorist, but since anyone could use bitcoin, then terrorist might use it in their dark plan purposes. And Yes, this might already happening, but we just don’t know about it because you know, terrorist act silently but deadly, that is why it is banned on some countries which do have many terrorist, their government is just preventing terrorist to use the advantage of bitcoin on this illegal stuffs.
the technologist, miners, traders …..of bit coin are human, the terrorists are also human. Bit coin can be manipulated as long as it is in humans control to suit whichever purpose.it can be used to support terrorism.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
As scary as it is, Bitcoin can be used to any way and that of course, can be a good or bad act. It just only depends on the owner of it. The president of US can buy bitcoin and it’s also the same with the criminal groups. They can also buy BTC and use it for terrorism. I think this is one of the reasons why the government wants to control the flow of BTC in certain countries.
It is easier to track Bitcoins than it is to track cash. Some of you guys should check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymity
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
So what? They didn’t mention that North Korea had or still has secret factories where they manufacture Superdollars, a very high quality counterfeit United States one hundred-dollar bills?According to witnesses factory where the notes are printed is located in the city of Pyongsong and is part of Division 39. They printed hundreds of millions, if not more of these banknotes.So this is not a huge problem, but when North Korean government have access to bitcoin it suddenly becomes national threat? What kind of hypocrisy is this?Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar#North_Korea
Quote from: AGD on April 06, 2017, 05:11:03 PM
It is easier to track Bitcoins than it is to track cash. Some of you guys should check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymity
Yes it is that is why we have Bitcoin mixing services. Trackibility will not discourage the criminals from using it as their preferred way to do transactions. Try dealing in the dark markets. Bitcoin is reaching new heights by operating outside the jurisdiction of regulatory bodies.
Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 07, 2017, 01:23:20 AM
Quote from: AGD on April 06, 2017, 05:11:03 PM
It is easier to track Bitcoins than it is to track cash. Some of you guys should check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymity
Yes it is that is why we have Bitcoin mixing services. Trackibility will not discourage the criminals from using it as their preferred way to do transactions. Try dealing in the dark markets. Bitcoin is reaching new heights by operating outside the jurisdiction of regulatory bodies.
Thats why there are mixing services and i can say that they are earning decent because of illegal transactions or for those people who dont want to be traced. Yes its really possible to track bitcoin transactions but using mixing services would do the job on hiding yourself completely and it can really be used by terrorist or any other person do illegal activities.
Quote from: jc89 on April 06, 2017, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
We cannot control others on how they will use bitcoin just like we cannot control people on how to use fiat. Since bitcoin itself has its value, this type of usage is inevitable. Since you asked if bitcoin is used to support terrorist or any bad organization, I will tell you that nothing will change. Did anyone asked “what if they use fiat to do bad?”, obviously fiat and bitcoin are the same at some point but no one questions the usage of fiat as far as I know.Quote
Is this already happening?
Dude, you placed a date in your post Quote
On March 8th so why are you asking if this is already happening? Isn’t obvious that it is already happening?
uh, CCD is not terrorists. ……It helps to fight North Korea’s dictatorship. i mean if btc can be used for good, it can also be used for bad.
Is this true? I think it is still not certain. But there is a possibility that they will use these bitcoin to send them because bitcoin can be sent not knowing who sent it and what will be doing with it, even who is the reciever of it. Even in my newbie days here I am also thinking that these can be done by people, though I don’t think that it can be really used these efficiently by these terrorist. With these, terrorist can convert bitcoin and earn money, buy guns and other things that they can use to overthrow the government and hurt the people under it, that is really miserable.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
There are no restriction in bitcoin , everyone is highly suitable to join , use and earn bitcoin. It is the user or to the bitcoiner the decision on whether to use it, even for the bad or for the good of him or everyone.
Of course yes, basiccally bitcoin can be used for good things and bad things include support terrorists but should the peoples who care about bitcoin and as comunity of bitcoin we must take care about bitcoin don’t be used for bad things like support to terrorists. please don’t use bitcoin for support terrorists and criminal
Things like this are inevitable to happen, people will use any advantage of a currency to their favor,but that doesn’t mean bitcoin is a bad currency, terrorists have been using fiat, gold, silver etc..to their illegal transactions/activities. Bitcoin cannot be blamed if the terrorist used it in their transactions
No-one knows about that answer, but in my assumption, if the bitcoin already familiar to the Darknet and there is a high possibility to be used by the terrorist. But that depends on the user interest. I’ve ever seen dark marketplace guide by using the bitcoin. https://psychonautwiki.org I don’t think so, They having various kinds of the payment method and didn’t put his concentration just on the bitcoin.
unfortunately most likely it is already happen than to consider eliminating the same bitcoin by eliminating the terrorists it’s too excessive. anonymity one who can do it but if it is omitted then it bitcoin will not be perfect so bitcoin be a double edged sword.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Where is the link to this post,there should be one.I don’t think Bitcoin purpose is primarily to help terrorist but these idiots have found a way to use this to their advantage because it is decentralized but the advantages of using bitcoin outweighs the disadvantages
Bitcoin is not good or bad it depends in the users who uses it for good or evil.Dont blame an innocent virtual currency to the cruelty of human beingsMany people will take advantage of bitcoin’s decentralized and anonymous feature but bitcoin can be freely use by anyone even if you’re good or bad.
Quote from: Sadlife on April 07, 2017, 03:33:50 AM
Bitcoin is not good or bad it depends in the users who uses it for good or evil.Dont blame an innocent virtual currency to the cruelty of human beingsMany people will take advantage of bitcoin’s decentralized and anonymous feature but bitcoin can be freely use by anyone even if you’re good or bad.
That is right, bitcoin is just a virtual currency and it is not good or bad but depends on how the users use it. We humans are the one making that digital currency tainted in black but it is inevitable. It is been predicted to be used in such activities and we can’t do anything about it because it is really ideal for making such illegal transactions. Satoshi Nakamoto created these digital currency so that we can have freedom about our money and send it efficiently throughout the world. And if Satoshi Nakamoto knew that they are using it wrong, he will be very dissapointed with it.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Since bitcoin is not a centralized , but it is decentralized and everyone is free to use and it is not restricted to use for particular person or user .But still use of bitcoin by such types of people ( criminal activities ) will down the value ( in view of the government ) and it may be possible that some more countries ban the bitcoin fully .So here we should do complete our responsibility , we should never make deals with those person who are not known fully or are doubtable and never try to reveal Thier identity . In this way we can stop the use of bitcoin in bad thing and we will finally support the bitcoin in really way .
The question is very unfair, we know that US dollars and everything that has worth and value can be used for buying weapons. But we are all free to use whatever we want with our bitcoins. This is decentralized and freedom can be applied here it is why we don’t care if those people are willing to use their btc for supporting terrorists, criminals and rebels. And where’s the source of this news?
I think it is very likely, this is because a transaction with the bank are very strict so as to make them use the bitcoin for terrorist funds transfer. But there’s a bright side, the bitcoin prices will rise.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Yes i think so that bitcoins in this day is being use as funds on illegal things like drugs prostitution and even terrorism,in fact thats the reason why some country banned bitcoin entirely in their place because it is being use in that way.Yes world leaders may have a will to kill btc if btc affect so much in terrorism and drugs.They need to shutdown btc in order to lessen growing problem,
Bitcoin can be used to support different terrorist organizations because of being anonymous of bitcoin it can easily transfer from one account to the bad people without even noticing it because the bitcoin is anonymous and secure. If that happens, i think government will take an action like banning it and stopping bitcoin operation but i hope that those things won’t happen.
Quote from: Sadlife on April 07, 2017, 03:33:50 AM
Bitcoin is not good or bad it depends in the users who uses it for good or evil.Dont blame an innocent virtual currency to the cruelty of human beingsMany people will take advantage of bitcoin’s decentralized and anonymous feature but bitcoin can be freely use by anyone even if you’re good or bad.
i had so much laugh with this line mate but this is absolutely true! bitcoin itself has nothing to do with what people do to it or how people will use it. but this is the saddest part here. because of its kind of being anonymous, people will abuse the use of bitcoin. they use it for committing crimes and illegal acts that it is not supposed to be that way. too bad for bitcoin being used for such acts.
Quote from: DoublerHunter on April 07, 2017, 07:05:22 AM
Bitcoin can be used to support different terrorist organizations because of being anonymous of bitcoin it can easily transfer from one account to the bad people without even noticing it because the bitcoin is anonymous and secure. If that happens, i think government will take an action like banning it and stopping bitcoin operation but i hope that those things won’t happen.
They can’t condemn bitcoin just because of that, their own currency is also being use inillegal transactions, it would be a hypocritical move if they blame bitcoin just becauseit is being used by the terrorist
it could have been done. bitcoin has advantages that make it can benefit terrorists. well, that is difficult to track transactions made anyone can trade freely without a clear identity. maybe it could push terrorists to use bitcoin as a tool for their transactions.
Quote from: neochiny on April 07, 2017, 07:52:42 AM
Quote from: DoublerHunter on April 07, 2017, 07:05:22 AM
Bitcoin can be used to support different terrorist organizations because of being anonymous of bitcoin it can easily transfer from one account to the bad people without even noticing it because the bitcoin is anonymous and secure. If that happens, i think government will take an action like banning it and stopping bitcoin operation but i hope that those things won’t happen.
They can’t condemn bitcoin just because of that, their own currency is also being use inillegal transactions, it would be a hypocritical move if they blame bitcoin just becauseit is being used by the terrorist
Yes we know that even though their real money is being used in doing illegal transactions but did you know that it is easier to give money thru bitcoin and it will be more safer? Because imagine if a rich man will support terrorist then if he withdraw money from his account, it will reflection on his bank account and the government might investigate that while in bitcoin if you send and withdraw money there is no traces that might put you in danger. So bitcoin is more prone for being used in terrorism.
Quote from: Dr.Osh on April 07, 2017, 07:55:09 AM
it could have been done. bitcoin has advantages that make it can benefit terrorists. well, that is difficult to track transactions made anyone can trade freely without a clear identity. maybe it could push terrorists to use bitcoin as a tool for their transactions.
Bitcoin, like any other currencies or valuable stuff, is neutral. It does not have any motives in itself. We are the ones who make decisions on how to use bitcoin and all these resources around us. Whether it be for gambling, for terrorism, or for watching porn, or donating to a charitable institution, and the money we use represents as our blind witness to our transactions.
Do you really think there is any type of transaction that terrorists or “bad guys” in general have not used yet?You can be sure that they have and are having still. Instead of dealing with banks or carrying big suitcases ful of money it’s easier to just go with a smartphone and confirm a simple transaction.
Quote from: Sadlife on April 07, 2017, 03:33:50 AM
Bitcoin is not good or bad it depends in the users who uses it for good or evil.Dont blame an innocent virtual currency to the cruelty of human beingsMany people will take advantage of bitcoin’s decentralized and anonymous feature but bitcoin can be freely use by anyone even if you’re good or bad.
Exactly, I have many friends who react bad when they hear “bitcoin”, they say its a currency for thieves and criminals, what is total bullshit.It is like saying that mexican peso is a currency for drug cartels and murderers.Guess what it is just being used by cartels: and the same thing applies to bitcoin: it may be used for illegal activities however you can use it for buying any product, even a car!If I would be a terrorist, and I would want to use cryptocurrency as a payment method, my choose would be rather Monero than Bitcoin, it is better for people who want to stay 100% anonymous all the time.
Quote from: Yuuto on April 07, 2017, 10:11:35 AM
Quote from: Sadlife on April 07, 2017, 03:33:50 AM
Bitcoin is not good or bad it depends in the users who uses it for good or evil.Dont blame an innocent virtual currency to the cruelty of human beingsMany people will take advantage of bitcoin’s decentralized and anonymous feature but bitcoin can be freely use by anyone even if you’re good or bad.
Exactly, I have many friends who react bad when they hear “bitcoin”, they say its a currency for thieves and criminals, what is total bullshit.It is like saying that mexican peso is a currency for drug cartels and murderers.Guess what it is just being used by cartels: and the same thing applies to bitcoin: it may be used for illegal activities however you can use it for buying any product, even a car!If I would be a terrorist, and I would want to use cryptocurrency as a payment method, my choose would be rather Monero than Bitcoin, it is better for people who want to stay 100% anonymous all the time.
That’s a stereotype based on what media said and people near you seem to have been brainwashed by the media easily. You have to choice to whether get the stereotype right by persuading them to learn what is bitcoin which would take so much effort and not easy of course or just ignore them like when you’re ignoring bacteria around you.
Guys, sorry but this is a huge bullshit, frankly saying… One could create such stories even by using golems, ancient monsters etc. Do you really believe this?
Quote from: lukmandog on April 06, 2017, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: YuginKadoya on April 06, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Everyone can hold his own bitcoin even criminals can obtain his own bitcoin the question here would be if the police can do something about it? which is very hard to do really! transaction over bitcoin will always be anonymous regarding this that is why I think that is the best question regarding some transaction of identify for illegal business, I think bitcoin is not the reason behind, something like this, the real culprit would be the person itself he can surely done anything with his bitcoin.
Nothing is impossible, bitcoin is a tool and remains man himself decisive.Bitcoin is anonymous, and allows anyone or any party to use it for good things or bad things like terrorism.
I think that is what I am trying to explain and you just repeat it? lol Well commonly our authority would not recognize any certain person if he would done a crime or not and the system of bitcoin is very secure and anonymous that any one can really use it,
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
i think you need refreshing man i think bitcoin just use as payment and add income user bitcoin . not for terorism yet
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Anyone who talks about using legislation on Bitcoin to fight terrorism is simply using a convenient event to push an agenda that they’ve had for a while. The fact is, Bitcoin is not used all that much more than other currencies for illicit activity that affects other people in a dangerous way, a large majority of the time. While it is more popular on sites that use .onion extensions, other currencies are still used, and would just make up Bitcoin’s market share.Stopping Bitcoin doesn’t stop terrorist funding. It’s disingenuous to suggest such a thing.
maybe yes and maybe no because we can not know for what the transaction is made. i think in out there, there still have a chance for bitcoin is used by supporting terrorists and they can using bitcoin for free. they can make transfer by sending and receiving bitcoin and then they can exchange it with local currency so they can buy some weapons or buy anything they want especially if the price is really high for now and i think they can make profit with this too. there still many possibilities for terorrist to use bitcoin for free as bitcoin is design for anonymously.
Let’s say that instead of bitcoin it would be feathers or rocks.Would terrorists use rocks for their own interests? Of course.Gun (or bomb) dealers don’t care what it is, they want to deal and get paid.Doesn’t matter what currency is used.
Fiat and normal bank wire are being used by terrorist from long time ago and they have now started using bitcoin for transactions however bitcoin still only covers very little part of transactions in those organization.I don’t care in what purpose bitcoin are being used as long as it can put few more million on bitcoin marketcap.
common bitcoin is just a kind of new money processing system, we more likely treat it like real money with some imaginary values which is nowadays being judged by the different types of bitcoin and altcoin exchanges, the point is the money can be used in anyway no matter good or bad. even if terrorists uses it for their benefits we can not close the whole bitcoin system to stop them, if we stop bitcoin they will simply switch to dollars or something else but we can not stop money and by the way yes bitcoin is widely being used at the dark side too mainly for illegal activities
Quote from: lukmandog on April 06, 2017, 04:06:27 PM
Quote from: YuginKadoya on April 06, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Everyone can hold his own bitcoin even criminals can obtain his own bitcoin the question here would be if the police can do something about it? which is very hard to do really! transaction over bitcoin will always be anonymous regarding this that is why I think that is the best question regarding some transaction of identify for illegal business, I think bitcoin is not the reason behind, something like this, the real culprit would be the person itself he can surely done anything with his bitcoin.
Nothing is impossible, bitcoin is a tool and remains man himself decisive.Bitcoin is anonymous, and allows anyone or any party to use it for good things or bad things like terrorism.
But it does not support the terrorist it is just that it is free for everyone and so terrorist took advantage of it. We cant relate bitcoins to terrorists in any case.
Quote from: CraigWrightBTC on April 07, 2017, 02:13:29 AM
Of course yes, basiccally bitcoin can be used for good things and bad things include support terrorists but should the peoples who care about bitcoin and as comunity of bitcoin we must take care about bitcoin don’t be used for bad things like support to terrorists. please don’t use bitcoin for support terrorists and criminal
You cannot stop it, no matter how much you beg and plead. In my opinion it is better if it was used by criminals and terrorists. Disruption of the banking system is what we want as Bitcoiners right?
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
That really doesn’t matter the BTC used by whom. Money (every currency) also used by terrorist That doesn’t decrease the value of any currency. So dear! No worry about the devaluation of bitcoin.
Quote from: Sadlife on April 07, 2017, 03:33:50 AM
Bitcoin is not good or bad it depends in the users who uses it for good or evil.Dont blame an innocent virtual currency to the cruelty of human beingsMany people will take advantage of bitcoin’s decentralized and anonymous feature but bitcoin can be freely use by anyone even if you’re good or bad.
Thats true, bitcoin will have a bad effect or whether it relies on users. there are many users in bitcoin and they have a goal each and maybe some of them using bitcoin for illegal activities
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Even fiat is used for bad things.Imagine if Han Sol and family were given gold instead of bitcoin, would you still be asking this about gold?.Would world leaders have tried to kill gols then?
Quote from: Sweetbtc on April 07, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
But it does not support the terrorist it is just that it is free for everyone and so terrorist took advantage of it. We cant relate bitcoins to terrorists in any case.
Yes bitcoin doesn’t support terrorist but it is giving us freedom and everyone has the right to do so. Just like the real money, those people that are doing crimes are using it for buying their things so that they can keep on committing crimes and can live their lives with pleasure. The only relation of bitcoins to terrorists is that they can use it for buying their super weapons.
Quote from: SONG GEET on April 07, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
Fiat and normal bank wire are being used by terrorist from long time ago and they have now started using bitcoin for transactions however bitcoin still only covers very little part of transactions in those organization.I don’t care in what purpose bitcoin are being used as long as it can put few more million on bitcoin marketcap.
Bitcoin is nowhere to be blamed here. They are just using the feature of bitcoin which is really a great way to transact their bitcoin and use it wherever they want, whenever they want. And the fact that they are using bitcoin, is a good thing. But I just like the fact they use bitcoin, but do not like the fact how they use it. As you said, it will really help the bitcoin price to increase. Win win.
Quote from: bhadz on April 07, 2017, 05:09:00 AM
The question is very unfair, we know that US dollars and everything that has worth and value can be used for buying weapons. But we are all free to use whatever we want with our bitcoins. This is decentralized and freedom can be applied here it is why we don’t care if those people are willing to use their btc for supporting terrorists, criminals and rebels. And where’s the source of this news?
What do you mean the “question is unfair”? No one was trying to say Bitcoin is bad because terrorists use it. But it does show that Bitcoin is the perfect medium for value transfer that can be used by terrorists to move their money through the internet very easily. Not only that drug dealers, prostitution, illegal gambling and ransomware also love to Bitcoin.
Any kind of currency can be used to support terrorists not only bitcoin but also the fiat or the money that we are using. This kind of thing is not new because even in the last decades, some people use money to support terrorist and now there is a bitcoin that is anonymous and can’t be traced and there is no doubt that it will be used.
Just a quick fact check, fiat is the main currency used to support terrorism. Nothing has changed right?Bitcoin’s market cap is far too low to finance a huge terrorist organisation. If it were to happen, rules imposed on exchange (AML/KYC) policies can help to prevent it. It is hard to purchase anything with Bitcoin without exchanging to fiat first.
Quote from: ranochigo on April 08, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
Just a quick fact check, fiat is the main currency used to support terrorism. Nothing has changed right?Bitcoin’s market cap is far too low to finance a huge terrorist organisation. If it were to happen, rules imposed on exchange (AML/KYC) policies can help to prevent it. It is hard to purchase anything with Bitcoin without exchanging to fiat first.
That’s what I was thinking when I saw this question. The people who have tried transacting some big amounts through exchanges or other wallets. Without being converted to fiat it’s near to impossible. We are not talking about small amounts here and as far as I know terrorist groups are not that patient who wait 24 hours to get a confirmation
Quote from: ranochigo on April 08, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
Just a quick fact check, fiat is the main currency used to support terrorism. Nothing has changed right?Bitcoin’s market cap is far too low to finance a huge terrorist organisation. If it were to happen, rules imposed on exchange (AML/KYC) policies can help to prevent it. It is hard to purchase anything with Bitcoin without exchanging to fiat first.
not to mention that terrorist buying bitoin for their activity would actually support bitcoin, more than bitcoin supporting themi mean terrorist don’t have any way to have bitcoin minus buying, if they were really using bitcoin, right now the price would be higher
Quote from: Amph on April 08, 2017, 05:55:53 AM
Quote from: ranochigo on April 08, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
Just a quick fact check, fiat is the main currency used to support terrorism. Nothing has changed right?Bitcoin’s market cap is far too low to finance a huge terrorist organisation. If it were to happen, rules imposed on exchange (AML/KYC) policies can help to prevent it. It is hard to purchase anything with Bitcoin without exchanging to fiat first.
not to mention that terrorist buying bitoin for their activity would actually support bitcoin, more than bitcoin supporting themi mean terrorist don’t have any way to have bitcoin minus buying, if they were really using bitcoin, right now the price would be higher
I believe it’s being used ever since. In the deep web I see some contract killers for hire and you pay them bitcoins to kill me or other person, for example. I’ve heard some secret ISIS sites in the deep web too and anonymous is on high alert about these terrorist sites. I’m sure they are using bitcoin to fund their cause.
Yes we can’t’ deny the fact that bitcoin can be used to support terrorists then it is necessary to monitor all forms of bitcoin transfers from one wallet to another. this will checkmate all forms of illegality.
I am sure nobody want and agree bitcoin to support terrorist and it was never intended to made bitcoin to be used in illegal activities, but since bitcoin is acceptable and can be used as payment token so we cant deny that some people using bitcoin for bad things, and it is a bit unfair to keep on exposing bitcoin support terrorist, fiat is also used to purchased illegal thing and other bad activities
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Is this already happening? Most likely.You should see BTC as a normal currency, like or $. Criminal organizations get paid in all currencies, cash or virtual, it doesn’t matter.Did they kill and $? No. Will that ever happen? No, that’s simply stupid. So why would that happen with btc?I know what you mean with that, I know that you felt like asking this question because popular beliefs see Bitcoin as an illegal and nonexistent currency, but I honestly think that’s never going to happen. They can’t kill something big like btc.
Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 07, 2017, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: CraigWrightBTC on April 07, 2017, 02:13:29 AM
Of course yes, basiccally bitcoin can be used for good things and bad things include support terrorists but should the peoples who care about bitcoin and as comunity of bitcoin we must take care about bitcoin don’t be used for bad things like support to terrorists. please don’t use bitcoin for support terrorists and criminal
You cannot stop it, no matter how much you beg and plead. In my opinion it is better if it was used by criminals and terrorists. Disruption of the banking system is what we want as Bitcoiners right?
Even if we make some posters on billboards telling people to not use bitcoin in illegal activities or to support terrorism but that will do nothing. Everything will depend on the choice and the decision of a person. And so if that person will send bitcoin to the terrorists with an intention of rebelling against the states then we have no control over that. Bitcoin as a currency will not be free from such activity but let us not worry about that since the government is doing its job to stop all kinds of terrorism.
It can be used just like other currencies but the advantages of Bitcoin makes it more easier for these deviants to adopt it as their main stream currency as it pays worldwide without any rigid verifications.
Quote from: HarringtonStark on April 08, 2017, 07:12:58 AM
I believe it’s being used ever since. In the deep web I see some contract killers for hire and you pay them bitcoins to kill me or other person, for example. I’ve heard some secret ISIS sites in the deep web too and anonymous is on high alert about these terrorist sites. I’m sure they are using bitcoin to fund their cause.
Does it really have to be from the deep web to look realistic? What if I told you that you can hire literally anyone to kill somebody else? That doesn’t make any difference at all from some guy in the deep web. Anyone can kill a person depending on the price. That’s not news to us at all.But the payment doesn’t necessarily has to be bitcoins. Any single thing that can be used to destroy the world or at least inflict damage to it is helping the terrorists. And literally everything can be like that. Even a tree can be used as a weapon by the terrorists. You can kill using a log from a tree.It’s not bitcoins that’s supporting the terrorists. It’s just that everything can be used as right or wrong.
Quote from: megynacuna on April 08, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
It can be used just like other currencies but the advantages of Bitcoin makes it more easier for these deviants to adopt it as their main stream currency as it pays worldwide without any rigid verifications.
yes that is very right to say that bitcoin is making it more easy to use bitcoin in more convenient way. in fact bitcoin is providing such facilities which are making our life more easier.
Quote from: HarringtonStark on April 08, 2017, 07:12:58 AM
Quote from: Amph on April 08, 2017, 05:55:53 AM
Quote from: ranochigo on April 08, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
Just a quick fact check, fiat is the main currency used to support terrorism. Nothing has changed right?Bitcoin’s market cap is far too low to finance a huge terrorist organisation. If it were to happen, rules imposed on exchange (AML/KYC) policies can help to prevent it. It is hard to purchase anything with Bitcoin without exchanging to fiat first.
not to mention that terrorist buying bitoin for their activity would actually support bitcoin, more than bitcoin supporting themi mean terrorist don’t have any way to have bitcoin minus buying, if they were really using bitcoin, right now the price would be higher
I believe it’s being used ever since. In the deep web I see some contract killers for hire and you pay them bitcoins to kill me or other person, for example. I’ve heard some secret ISIS sites in the deep web too and anonymous is on high alert about these terrorist sites. I’m sure they are using bitcoin to fund their cause.
Well terrorists aren’t the only thing that Bitcoin has, there’s other groups of people that do really disgusting things that accept and send payments with Bitcoin. Bitcoin isn’t the only thing that they use, they also use other Currencies that help fund those type of activities and they don’t complain so much about it other than it being a large amount of money. The Governments already knows that Bitcoin does not have the potential to overcome their main Currencies and they just want the power of the Currencies just standing out in front of the citizens residing in it.
Every strong currency was used to support terrorism, EUR, USD, GPB, etc. It does not make Bitcoin bad.
Quote from: bitbob82 on April 08, 2017, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: megynacuna on April 08, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
It can be used just like other currencies but the advantages of Bitcoin makes it more easier for these deviants to adopt it as their main stream currency as it pays worldwide without any rigid verifications.
yes that is very right to say that bitcoin is making it more easy to use bitcoin in more convenient way. in fact bitcoin is providing such facilities which are making our life more easier.
you are right that bitcoin is providing facilities to people and its really make life easy fro their user and i do not think that bitcoin support terrorists because bitcoin is a good digital currency which used for online.
Quote from: ranochigo on April 08, 2017, 05:36:01 AM
Just a quick fact check, fiat is the main currency used to support terrorism. Nothing has changed right?Bitcoin’s market cap is far too low to finance a huge terrorist organisation. If it were to happen, rules imposed on exchange (AML/KYC) policies can help to prevent it. It is hard to purchase anything with Bitcoin without exchanging to fiat first.
Then there will be a gap in the market that someone will be willing to fill. If there was a terrorist group who wants to convert their Bitcoins to fiat, a trader in the black market could buy them for a better price than the regular market. Money launderers who want to use Bitcoin could also do this.
Yeah i think so it is used to support terrorist around the world.Since one advantage that bitcoins is offering is anonymity in each transaction and almost untraceble.Just like in silkroad they sell ammunations for bitcoins and even drugs and it has a high percentage that people who is buying from silk road before is pure terrorist and drugl lords.
Bitcoin is a clean currency, because it is free and unmanaged. It’s for everyone. Depending on how people feel, they will have different thoughts. It’s the freedom that makes people like it and use it. And of course, the advantages are always a bit of a hassle, which is absolutely normal, nothing is perfect. The most important thing is the way we use it. So, use bitcoin in the cleanest way.
Monero or cash would be much better alternatives because they are actually anonymous unlike bitcoins which are pseudonymous. Criminals and terrorists are stupid though so they will probably use bitcoins too. Everyone uses some sort of money, there’s nothing to stop you me or a terrorist from using bitcoins.
Terrorists trainers and exporters have access to the biggest oil reserve in the world and they’re fine selling the oil to dozens of countries worldwide in exchange of US dollar and they’re doing a great job with only using fiat and seems like every one has a completely different definition of terrorism.For instance Cuba/ Iran/ North Korea/ Syria are supporting terrorism according to Washington, and Saudi Arabia blatantly injecting money and man power with supply into various terrorist organizations around the world and they even are allies with US.It makes me think, which one is true?Also it makes me to believe in bitcoin knowing those countries can do whatever they want to do without ever using bitcoin, I believe bitcoin is not yet big enough to worth trying it with hundreds of billion dollars to support terrorism.Unless of course all the mining pools are in bed with ISIS and other terrorist organizations/ states which I really doubt it, there is no direct evidence of such a bold claim.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Here you are saying this because you are newbie and don’t understand well that how does bitcoin help and bitcoin I’d available to use for everywhere and by everyone , so here it is just simple thing the terrorist can use the bitcoin for illegal purpose but here one and only one . who can can stop the bad use of the bitcoin , these are we ( bitcoiners) .We need that we should not made deals with those persons. Who are totally unknown and doubtful and don’t want reveal Thier identity .In this way we can stop the illegal use of bitcoin , overall everyone is free to use like the normal.fiat money in any country that is not an illegal thing .
I don’t think that Bitcoin can be link strongly to Terrorism it is a wide range. The terrorist in the first place have more greater means to Fund there operations outside Bitcoin of course. From asking ransoms to captive foreigners and other demands that can be met by rich families to governments I think Bitcoin only comes to second. Also how can a currency support something? It is always up to the user of the currency on which he/she decide to use it. And I think that anything that can be used online wants to be avoided by the terrorist because they know it is monitored by the government.
I think not, because bitcoin is a technological development which is a digital currency that is issued by developed countries for other needs such as for buying and selling businesses use the Internet network
Quote from: paul gatt on April 09, 2017, 02:22:13 AM
Bitcoin is a clean currency, because it is free and unmanaged. It’s for everyone. Depending on how people feel, they will have different thoughts. It’s the freedom that makes people like it and use it. And of course, the advantages are always a bit of a hassle, which is absolutely normal, nothing is perfect. The most important thing is the way we use it. So, use bitcoin in the cleanest way.
you’re right, bitcoin has been formed dala, very good shape, and it would be perfect if used for good. but, there is no limit to the use bitcoin bitcoin users they have. even bitcoin is also often used for illegal transactions. perhaps, some terrorists are also using bitcoin to conduct transactions
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
This is totally stupid thing that we are thinking that bitcoin is restricted to use by the particular categories of the people , here the bitcoin is itself a thing which is available to use by any one and anytime without restrictions , so here we can say the bitcoin is increasing illegal activities or supporting terrorists .Here we have the duty to not to use the bitcoin buy sell with the terrorist Because through the good honest people they can use bitcoin otherwise they will use bitcoin for bad things purpose .
Quote from: radjie on April 09, 2017, 05:44:52 AM
I think not, because bitcoin is a technological development which is a digital currency that is issued by developed countries for other needs such as for buying and selling businesses use the Internet network
Well everything can surely happen and when it is in the internet I mean everyone can surely access the World Wide web and everything I think they can accumulate bitcoin, we can possibly know what they are trying to do to bitcoin but yeah bitcoin is too flexible certainly even evil doers can have their hands and use it for illegal ways!
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
First bitcoin was used before by the terrorists and for this was mentioned by several authorities in various moments. Second this doesn’t mean nothing. Bitcoin is money like the other money and as such is normal that can be used for every purpose that money serve. Telling that bitcoin has fault in such cases mean to tell that euros, us dollars etc has foult too. Because even this money are used pour such aims.
Quote from: OrangeII on April 09, 2017, 05:53:13 AM
Quote from: paul gatt on April 09, 2017, 02:22:13 AM
Bitcoin is a clean currency, because it is free and unmanaged. It’s for everyone. Depending on how people feel, they will have different thoughts. It’s the freedom that makes people like it and use it. And of course, the advantages are always a bit of a hassle, which is absolutely normal, nothing is perfect. The most important thing is the way we use it. So, use bitcoin in the cleanest way.
you’re right, bitcoin has been formed dala, very good shape, and it would be perfect if used for good. but, there is no limit to the use bitcoin bitcoin users they have. even bitcoin is also often used for illegal transactions. perhaps, some terrorists are also using bitcoin to conduct transactions
Bitcoin can be used for good and bad, and it will support both type of peoples and usage. You can give donation with bitcoins and hide your identity or you can use bitcoins to buy explosive weapons and still hide your identity.
Quote from: taxmanmt5 on April 09, 2017, 07:20:44 AM
Quote from: OrangeII on April 09, 2017, 05:53:13 AM
Quote from: paul gatt on April 09, 2017, 02:22:13 AM
Bitcoin is a clean currency, because it is free and unmanaged. It’s for everyone. Depending on how people feel, they will have different thoughts. It’s the freedom that makes people like it and use it. And of course, the advantages are always a bit of a hassle, which is absolutely normal, nothing is perfect. The most important thing is the way we use it. So, use bitcoin in the cleanest way.
you’re right, bitcoin has been formed dala, very good shape, and it would be perfect if used for good. but, there is no limit to the use bitcoin bitcoin users they have. even bitcoin is also often used for illegal transactions. perhaps, some terrorists are also using bitcoin to conduct transactions
Bitcoin can be used for good and bad, and it will support both type of peoples and usage. You can give donation with bitcoins and hide your identity or you can use bitcoins to buy explosive weapons and still hide your identity.
Hided indentity is the main factor in such transactions where money are going to some illegal things as terrorism. You are totally right that bitcoin can be used as for good as for bad, couse no one will know what for this money are going exactly.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bitcoin is anonymous. Thats why deep web is using it to pay or using it to transact with each other. Mostly bitcoin is used to buy Guns, Ammos, Drugs and other stuffs related to. And I think yes. Bitcoin is supporting the terrorists. As we can see now, Bitcoin is widely used online and offline as well.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Do not worry on how people are using bitcoin. Does any news channel even reported negative news about fiat money at all? Of course not! Bitcoin is not new in concept when you compare it with the fiat money. People use fiat money for drugs, prostitution, crimes, terrorism and does that make the fiat bad? And today people use bitcoin for drugs, prostitution, crimes, terrorism and does that make the bitcoin bad? A very big NO
It’s already outdated question, I’m afraid.We already know many examples where drug dealers used dark web to order drugs and bitcoin for payment.After all, bitcoin have great advantages for terrorists.Anonymity, security, no government control, fast transactions etc.So, I’m sure that they are already using bitcoin, the same as they are using social medias in order to find new followers.
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
Quote from: Daniel91 on April 09, 2017, 03:32:43 PM
It’s already outdated question, I’m afraid.We already know many examples where drug dealers used dark web to order drugs and bitcoin for payment.After all, bitcoin have great advantages for terrorists.Anonymity, security, no government control, fast transactions etc.So, I’m sure that they are already using bitcoin, the same as they are using social medias in order to find new followers.
Yup! It is simply a literal thing to know all of this especially when you know very well how bitcoins transaction works and I think this kind of a question was very perfect for newbies that are still starting their way up to the ladder of bitcoin ranks, but we can not blame them for being like this and besides we are the ones who should really understand their thoughts for asking this.
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
one of the things that is very negative. they use bitcoin for crime. for me bitcoin is a medium that should be used with care. use and also a poor understanding could make things chaotic. we need to learn more, because in every technology there must be a case that tarnished its function.
Quote from: bitbob82 on April 08, 2017, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: megynacuna on April 08, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
It can be used just like other currencies but the advantages of Bitcoin makes it more easier for these deviants to adopt it as their main stream currency as it pays worldwide without any rigid verifications.
yes that is very right to say that bitcoin is making it more easy to use bitcoin in more convenient way. in fact bitcoin is providing such facilities which are making our life more easier.
Agreed on that dude, though we know all that bitcoin can be use for legal and illegal, but because bitcoin is not 100% anonymous it can be trace if ever there is something fishy going on in the transaction. that’s only my ideas about it, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
Don’t be like a troller. Are you personally aware that bitcoin is been involved in terrorism. I think you drug dealer using bitcoin as payment for your deals. Reason why Government doesn’t accept bitcoin, they know if btc arises as ledger for treasure for the Government. Then no one do corruption. This is the true fact. People troller like you always take bitcoin to wrong show in public.
Quote from: AngelSky on April 09, 2017, 04:05:52 PM
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
Don’t be like a troller. Are you personally aware that bitcoin is been involved in terrorism. I think you drug dealer using bitcoin as payment for your deals. Reason why Government doesn’t accept bitcoin, they know if btc arises as ledger for treasure for the Government. Then no one do corruption. This is the true fact. People troller like you always take bitcoin to wrong show in public.
The guy didn’t troll actually, but talked facts that, if ignored will get Bitcoins to nowhere but to dark. You must be knowing dark markets and other such black marketing concepts where Bitcoins are being used. You know some real Bitcoin cases that have terrorism as well as cyber crime included? There was a pharmaceutical company who was selling their drugs as well as other things in exchange of Bitcoins through various exchanges, and the other case here was of terrorists asking for extortion money in Bitcoins.
Quote from: Amph on April 06, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
Exactly that’s the point I think is right.Even though if bitcoin is used by terrorists,How can it be considered as a bad form of currency.This way you can say that if terrorists use dollars,Than even dollars is a bad currency.Which I think most of you are against.So it doesn’t really matter if terrorists use it or not.It is the currency of the internet and it’s open for all.
Ban fiat money, ban weapons, ban trucks, ban knifes, ban cars, ban going out of your bedroom, ban everything. Everything is a risk of terrorists exploiting it and killing innocents.
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
Some countries didn’t accept or tried to ban bitcoin, but i am sure that people still used bitcoins, just for, of course, good things not bad like these. I think that not if all these bad things, bitcoin wouldn’t be that expensive now, as bitcoin used to be very good payment option in black markets, because nobody can track who bought or who sold products when paying with bitcoins.
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
i do not think that its the Aim of bitcoin because bitcoin is just made for online transaction and bitcoin is just a digital currency and i think bitcoin is the safest way to secure your money.
Quote from: Osarman on April 09, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
i do not think that its the Aim of bitcoin because bitcoin is just made for online transaction and bitcoin is just a digital currency and i think bitcoin is the safest way to secure your money.
i agree with you that bitcoin is digital currency and a lot of people feel safe and secure with bitcoin and they using bitcoin for online shopping and maximum people are using bitcoin as investment.
I do not think that this thing is going further with bitcoin. Bitcoin is mostly created for the use of internet to support the users of internet to transact their money to place of the world without any issue and terrorist will not longer get benefit from it.
Yes terrorist might get funds in their btc addresses but it will hard for them to encash, thus bitcoin is very transparent. Their transactions will be traceable thru blockchain explorers.
No.Stop posting stupid questions.
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Quote from: Pursuer on April 06, 2017, 08:07:02 AM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
throwing in random names doesn’t make the story more believable and no, I assure you that there is no idiot in the whole world that is going to choose bitcoin (with 100% public, open to the whole world transactions) over easy fiat/cash such as using USD which is 100% anonymous, non-traceable and acceptable everywhere in the whole world.p.s. your username seems to be matching the kind of topics you create in this forum.
Bitcoin isn’t 100% public and USD isn’t 100% anonymous. Bitcoin transactions are public from the blockchain but they’re pseudonymous as addresses are hard to link to individuals. While Bitcoin isn’t anonymous and those who don’t take very careful precautions can be caught, it’s a lot more anonymous than digital fiat (e.g. bank transfer) so if you’re doing anything online, Bitcoin is the best choice since a lot of criminals already accept it.Even cash USD, while having separate purposes to Bitcoin, isn’t 100% anonymous. Also, if you think that USD is accepted everywhere, you’re pretty arrogant about how national currencies work.
Quote from: boyptc on April 06, 2017, 05:56:58 AM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening?
Do you have any proof for this news? I want to read the whole article but if this is for real. It doesn’t matter if they are going to use bitcoin for supporting terrorists. How about fiat money, dollars and everything that does have value? They are using it for supporting those people and it’s up to them if they will use it for good or bad.
here is the article you r asking for. i guess the organizaiton has already transfered the bitcoin they received. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance
Yes I think this is already happening because bitcoin has many transactions on deepweb where all illegal things are going on. Bitcoin or any currency can be used whether its good or bad so I think the right question should be is how do we avoid bitcoin getting used by terrorists.
Have u ever worried that if u support some mystical organizations ur info will be leaked? Maybe now u can use bitcoins. [/b]This is what Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) is doing to help Han Sol, son of the dead Kim Jong Nam. Now CCD has received 2.7 bitcoins. some chinese netizens joked that that’s coz he looks so much better than his uncle Kim-Jong-un. i wonder WHERE r those donors from? China? American? Russia? South Korea? Read more about this story:http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance
Quote from: AngelSky on April 09, 2017, 04:05:52 PM
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
Don’t be like a troller. Are you personally aware that bitcoin is been involved in terrorism. I think you drug dealer using bitcoin as payment for your deals. Reason why Government doesn’t accept bitcoin, they know if btc arises as ledger for treasure for the Government. Then no one do corruption. This is the true fact. People troller like you always take bitcoin to wrong show in public.
I’m not a troller buddy, I’m just saying/ posting the things that I know, And I want to share it to other bitcoin forum members. They use bitcoin for they’re safety, terrorist not using it just because government don’t use it, dont accept it.
Quote from: bitbob82 on April 10, 2017, 08:11:47 PM
Quote from: Tribizz on April 10, 2017, 01:50:06 PM
Sure, everything has it good side and bad side but mostly we all know its great intension to the world
yes that is very right everything has its good and bad sides bitcoin can be use for both depending one the people who are using it. but i think yet majority of people are using it for good deeds.
Bitcoin has nothing to do with terrorists activities. And if it used by them, money laundering and stuff, I think bitcoin is making a progress and bitcoin is used even for a terrorist. Staoshi Nakamoto aims a currency that can be used by many people everywhere and anywhere in the internet. Saying that they use it, means that they like bitcoin because of its transaction features.
Quote from: krisnt80 on April 11, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
Bitcoin donations or crypto currencies wont make any difference, nowadays big donations are made to support terrorists, and nothing happens at all, banks dont care what the money is for as long they get their fee, easy as that. Bitcoin is a currencie that can be used for both sides, and there is no way to prevent the abuse of any of them. I doubt terrorists will risk their money over bitcoin, since they can loose money doing such, and they do have their costs.
LOL I have to agree, so much illicit money is moved through the traditional financial system that bitcoin could never compete,.just as a function of scale. Bitcoin might be viable for money ttansfer, if there is liquidity. But buying anything that would fund a meaningful war effort, besides food, would be pretty difficult as no one really accepts bitcoin at the moment. Also, funding terrorism isn’t a small dollar exercise; to convert the btc to fiat to actually buy stuff would probably set off AML/KYC flags at most legitimate banks.
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Quote from: AngelSky on April 09, 2017, 04:05:52 PM
Quote from: chickenado on April 09, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
Bitcoun is already used to support terrorist. Terrorist, drug dealers, killers, gun dealers and many bad people used this as a mode of payment because this is tue safest mode of payment in our world. This is the reason why some country didn’t accept bitcoin.
Don’t be like a troller. Are you personally aware that bitcoin is been involved in terrorism. I think you drug dealer using bitcoin as payment for your deals. Reason why Government doesn’t accept bitcoin, they know if btc arises as ledger for treasure for the Government. Then no one do corruption. This is the true fact. People troller like you always take bitcoin to wrong show in public.
I’m not a troller buddy, I’m just saying/ posting the things that I know, And I want to share it to other bitcoin forum members. They use bitcoin for they’re safety, terrorist not using it just because government don’t use it, dont accept it.
I agree with you. Criminal groups are already using Bitcoin. It can help terrorist groups to receive donations from their supporters as the currency is pseudo anonymous and not very tracked yet as there are a few number of people in the world using Bitcoins.We can’t be blind about it, Bitcoin is surely good and helpful, but not only for the good people of this planet, but for all, including the terrorists, the worse disease of our time.
yes bitcoin can be use to support terrorism and not only terrorism but anything illegal can be supported since it is anonymous and every transaction can not be trace it can easily support extremist activities, much easier now that the bitcoin started to accepts in some establishments as payment for purchasing something.
Just like everybody saying here, it still depends on how people will use it. It can be used to support bad people but that’s the drawback of having such a good currency. We can’t control the ideas of people, we can’t control how they behave and we won’t know how they will use BTC. That’s real talk and that’s real world. Instead of blaming something or someone just be part of the something good. The wrongs of the world are clear, we know that. Be the one who fights for the good even if it caused your life. The good BTC must not be used in things like that.
If i remember first the bitcoin was introduced to use it for silk route to deal the underworld mafia transactions, and then after the silk route was shut down by the government the bitcoin technology was leaked out and then it came to the real world and everyone started to enjoy it, not it is more like a online digital currency. So it is upto the users to use it which ever way they want just like fiat currency is also used by both good and bad ways. Then why only bitcoin is getting so much of attention
Quote from: Reid on Today at 09:20:44 AM
Bitcoin is being used by a lot of illegal transaction but I dont think it is the terrorists. I havent seen one or any rumors out there and even when I google it or maybe some forum that they were talking about this. Even diving the deeper web.Oh! and terrorists are being funded by something else out there that we didn’t know. They use fiats.If ever they will use bitcoin we wont trace it also.
No doubt Bitcoin is being used by terrorists around the world. You can read about it here, for example:https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/former-cia-analyst-says-terrorists-utilize-bitcoin-boost-funding/But should this information be seen as a negative connotation to Bitcoin? No. Terrorists also use fiat, Internet, cars etc., all those things normal people use in daily life, and we can do nothing about that.
Quote from: Baby Dragon on Today at 01:43:21 PM
Absolutely no bitcoin dont support terrorist illegal transaction but luckily bitcoin has a features that terrorist that can use to make illegal transaction in all over the globe and can be a threat in any country.
Bitcoin is a technology, its not a society of politicians to support someone every other day. Its nothing to do with Bitcoin if terrorists use it for their own purposes. They use the technology of Guns and Bombs and Social media too for their purposes. Can we blame all on them..?
Quote from: Duzter on April 29, 2017, 01:17:20 AM
As bitcoin has some good features that help in secure and end to transparent transaction with anonymity it is easy for terrorist and other illegal activities. But bitcoin is not developed with intentions of supporting terrorism or just for terrorist needs. Developed as a storage token that further gained several usability.
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
Quote from: densuj on April 29, 2017, 01:38:20 AM
Quote from: Duzter on April 29, 2017, 01:17:20 AM
As bitcoin has some good features that help in secure and end to transparent transaction with anonymity it is easy for terrorist and other illegal activities. But bitcoin is not developed with intentions of supporting terrorism or just for terrorist needs. Developed as a storage token that further gained several usability.
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
Of some articles bitcoin were created due to difficulties with banks with their transaction systems, that’s why many say bitcoin has two sharp edges if one of its users does something stupid then both will get hurt
Quote from: densuj on April 29, 2017, 01:38:20 AM
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
If terrorist use bitcoin for illegal activities what bad impact it has to bitcoin rather than the detractors will hang on to that aspect rather than understanding the real fact that they will use any method to fund their organization and most of the time fiat currency is used in terrorist activities so would that get a bad reputation for the currency they are using.
Quote from: Harry Callahan on April 29, 2017, 07:17:45 AM
Quote from: densuj on April 29, 2017, 01:38:20 AM
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
If terrorist use bitcoin for illegal activities what bad impact it has to bitcoin rather than the detractors will hang on to that aspect rather than understanding the real fact that they will use any method to fund their organization and most of the time fiat currency is used in terrorist activities so would that get a bad reputation for the currency they are using.
I don’t believe about this, because there is no evidence to show that terrorists use bitcoins to fund their groups. I think this is just government propaganda, because coincidence bitcoin also move underground and can’t be supervised by anyone. I think terrorists are stuffed toys from rulers of big countries, financial support and weapons of war are donated secretly, many people are too religious and forget that religion can be used as a propaganda by a country that wants to destroy them.
Quote from: the rise on April 29, 2017, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: Harry Callahan on April 29, 2017, 07:17:45 AM
Quote from: densuj on April 29, 2017, 01:38:20 AM
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
If terrorist use bitcoin for illegal activities what bad impact it has to bitcoin rather than the detractors will hang on to that aspect rather than understanding the real fact that they will use any method to fund their organization and most of the time fiat currency is used in terrorist activities so would that get a bad reputation for the currency they are using.
I don’t believe about this, because there is no evidence to show that terrorists use bitcoins to fund their groups. I think this is just government propaganda, because coincidence bitcoin also move underground and can’t be supervised by anyone. I think terrorists are stuffed toys from rulers of big countries, financial support and weapons of war are donated secretly, many people are too religious and forget that religion can be used as a propaganda by a country that wants to destroy them.
yes there is no evidence because we don’t know what for the transaction is send and we only know the amount in the transaction. without any proof, terrorists can send with any of amount and they still sending transaction into other wallet with their purpose, beside that they can send in any time without other people knowing what is their purpose to send and for who the amount they send. we don’t know if they have buy weapon or sending financial to other group or else.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
Quote from: tabas on April 29, 2017, 09:19:26 AM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
Yes that is right. The government and the big countries will not kill their fiat currencies because that is how they generate money and to be honest, some of the part of the government contributed to the illegal stuffs because they also generate big amount of money in there, so there is no chance that the government will kill the fiat or even bitcoin because of the possibility to earn huge amount of money.
You know who supported terrorists for many years, give them weapons, train them and helped them rise to power?Our beloved Government of the United States, they created this whole mess and it is their fault that Middle East is a constant flash point.And not the same people are telling us that Bitcoin/cryptocurrency is ‘probably’ used to support terrorists. Would you trust people who spied on us, founded PRISM and god knows what other surveillance programs, to tell us that bitcoin is evil?
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
I think the UN can not do anything to stop it. Terrorists always have a way to use their money in their criminal work, and of course, bitcoin is just the means by which they can do the work. What we need to care about here, why they can own so much money / bitcoin while they have to shirk the government. Clearly, there is always a real force that supports them with huge amounts of money.
This is more political then bitcoin discussion! Terrorists are not here from yesterday, and bitcoin is just a tool in our hands, we alone decide will we use bitcoin for something good or bad, that stands for every other currency.Terrorists will always find a way to finance their wars, most of you are talking about bitcoin here but I`m pretty much sure that they are already using some other altcoin that offers more anonymity then bitcoin.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
Yes that is right. The government and the big countries will not kill their fiat currencies because that is how they generate money and to be honest, some of the part of the government contributed to the illegal stuffs because they also generate big amount of money in there, so there is no chance that the government will kill the fiat or even bitcoin because of the possibility to earn huge amount of money.
Its vulgar that there are officials, countries and organizations that are involved into supporting these terrorist groups that’s why they are also the one that will not allow something to happen like this. So instead of stopping it, they will think of something just for their own purpose.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
so far i not know about bitcoin used for criminal .. bitcoin use for add income and fill free time for people use bitcoin ..
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
so far i not know about bitcoin used for criminal .. bitcoin use for add income and fill free time for people use bitcoin ..
Quote from: robocop3 on April 28, 2017, 07:45:28 AM
Sure btc get increased usage on terrorist activities and illegal purposes because of the anonymous nature.
Yeah believe it or not. They may already be using bitcoin for their transactions Because bitcoins can hide their identities. So they can make transaction freely
Yes, it will be used to support terrorists TOO. What is more, it is used, already. Just take a tour at the DarkWeb.BUT it does not and will not hurt much BTC’s reputation. Its technological aspect, how it can be used for something good is more important.That is why they will not seize it. Let us take this allegory: you live in a world where there are no sharp knives. You invent a sharp knife and as your invention spreads across the world, you can see doctors, who use it to save lives and you also see terrorists who use it to behead people. Should your technology of sharp knives be banned?
Yes, it will be used to support terrorists TOO. What is more, it is used, already. Just take a tour at the DarkWeb.BUT it does not and will not hurt much BTC’s reputation. Its technological aspect, how it can be used for something good is more important.That is why they will not seize it. Let us take this allegory: you live in a world where there are no sharp knives. You invent a sharp knife and as your invention spreads across the world, you can see doctors, who use it to save lives and you also see terrorists who use it to behead people. Should your technology of sharp knives be banned?
It can happen, we all know that bitcoin has the feture of being anonymous, so using bitcoin on transactions with terrorist or any illegal tradingis a big advantage for them.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
I think the UN can not do anything to stop it. Terrorists always have a way to use their money in their criminal work, and of course, bitcoin is just the means by which they can do the work. What we need to care about here, why they can own so much money / bitcoin while they have to shirk the government. Clearly, there is always a real force that supports them with huge amounts of money.
Ofcourse yes, bitcoin can be used to support terrorists. If you read the history of bitcoin you know that its transaction is anonymous its means no one knows who sent it. Unless he tell you that he will send you money. And we don’t know that maybe the reason why terrorist have a guns and equipment is because of bitcoin.
Quote from: jeraldskie11 on April 29, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
Ofcourse yes, bitcoin can be used to support terrorists. If you read the history of bitcoin you know that its transaction is anonymous its means no one knows who sent it. Unless he tell you that he will send you money. And we don’t know that maybe the reason why terrorist have a guns and equipment is because of bitcoin.
I think not all terrorist have certain access with bitcoin we can not give all the blame to terrorist because I think that some are still using the old fashion transaction and not all illegal transaction was because of the terrorist, certain criminals are the ones who have been using bitcoin, but yes terrorist needs to be annihilated and doing all things to hinder their success in every transaction is needed to put up!
Do we know who is terrorist and How we can know they use bitcoin or not ,bitcoin is future money System and who need use this System they can use it ,terrorists can use every money System because of we cant say money System has problem so bitcoin is like that too ,to use money System is not bad but suppory mean is different and bitcoin is not support to terrorists
Not even a thing absolutely a big no for bitcoin , bitcoin would now support terrorist for there transaction but luckily for the terrorist bitcoin is one on the way they can use to make illegal transaction in many countries without being arrested.
Quote from: Meowth05 on April 30, 2017, 03:58:11 PM
Not even a thing absolutely a big no for bitcoin , bitcoin would now support terrorist for there transaction but luckily for the terrorist bitcoin is one on the way they can use to make illegal transaction in many countries without being arrested.
No if Bitcoin was used for this it would be pretty horrid dude, it’d probably lead to people and governments just stopping the usage of Bitcoin within their countries and raiding the miners to pretty much put bitcoin on a standstill.Back on topic here, I do think Bitcoin could be used to support pretty bad causes but this could stand true for any other currency in the world too, it’s not like that supporting terroism is going to be the main point of usage for these currencies so they’re not going to punish the currency for this.So, it will be but it’s like anything else.
Quote from: hero1111 on April 30, 2017, 01:52:13 PM
Do we know who is terrorist and How we can know they use bitcoin or not ,bitcoin is future money System and who need use this System they can use it ,terrorists can use every money System because of we cant say money System has problem so bitcoin is like that too ,to use money System is not bad but suppory mean is different and bitcoin is not support to terrorists
Terrorist needs funds to continue their terror act globally. Most of the terror group have been identified and their funds are being frozen by a lot of government around the world. Bitcoin is another option for them to transfer money in and out of the terror organization. They are taking advantage of the design of bitcoin, being de centralized and pseudo-anonymous. So most likely bitcoin has been used by terror group globally now.
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Quote from: hero1111 on April 30, 2017, 01:52:13 PM
Do we know who is terrorist and How we can know they use bitcoin or not ,bitcoin is future money System and who need use this System they can use it ,terrorists can use every money System because of we cant say money System has problem so bitcoin is like that too ,to use money System is not bad but suppory mean is different and bitcoin is not support to terrorists
Terrorist needs funds to continue their terror act globally. Most of the terror group have been identified and their funds are being frozen by a lot of government around the world. Bitcoin is another option for them to transfer money in and out of the terror organization. They are taking advantage of the design of bitcoin, being de centralized and pseudo-anonymous. So most likely bitcoin has been used by terror group globally now.
Yeah terrorist needs funds how can we know that they’re using bitcoin or not. Due to bitcoins anonymity there’s no way to know the identity of a certain person using bitcoin. And yes, bitcoin has been used to fund terrorist and illegal activities and most of them can be seen on Deepweb which they ask of bitcoin to do their services like killing, toturing, etc,. Actually I’ve been to deepweb first before encountering bitcoin and at first I thought bitcoin was a illegal money but after a few research I find myself wrong.
BitCoin can be used to support bad things like this, but there are bad people using this tool out there. They can easily just use cash to trade value, in fact I would rather use cash than BitCoin for something illegal, because keep in mind, BitCoin is a public ledger of every single transaction being made in the world. Why would I want that to be recorded? The problem is people, not BitCoin.
Anything can be used to support terrorists, and bitcoin is available for all people lol
I dont see any point in saying that bitcoin may be something that will support terrorist organizations, it is just a different kind of a way to store money, an asset that was created not so long ago.Indeed, it might be useful for such a criminal groups to transfer the funds all over the world. Bitcoin is basically anonymous in use, so you can transfer 50 bitcoins somewhere without anyone noticing: bear in mind that is 50 x 1300$ currently so it is 65000 USD in a single transaction.On the other hand, USD, GBP,EUR or any different currency may be used in a same way: the only problem is that you cannot send the money so easy- only through bank transfers but that requires laundering the dirty money.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
I think the UN can not do anything to stop it. Terrorists always have a way to use their money in their criminal work, and of course, bitcoin is just the means by which they can do the work. What we need to care about here, why they can own so much money / bitcoin while they have to shirk the government. Clearly, there is always a real force that supports them with huge amounts of money.
I don’t know if the UN is really doing something to fight against those terrorist, I have read somewhere that they are also the one funding those terrorists. In that case, there’s no way for any of us nor them to stop these people to support terrorist with bitcoin. As long as there will be source of money or bitcoin from rich hidden supporters, they will keep on existing.
There is evidence of banks supporting terrorists, drug cartels and russia posted in this thread in the economics section:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1869013.0Banks still support criminal and illicit activities, there has been no effort made to stop them.The more public awareness on this, the better chances we have of banks ceasing and desisting with their nefarious activities.With all bitcoin transactions contained in a publicly accessible ledger, that reduces the likelihood of it being used by terrorist groups or for criminal activities as it leaves a type of paper trail which can be followed.
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Quote from: tabas on April 29, 2017, 09:19:26 AM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
I think the UN can not do anything to stop it. Terrorists always have a way to use their money in their criminal work, and of course, bitcoin is just the means by which they can do the work. What we need to care about here, why they can own so much money / bitcoin while they have to shirk the government. Clearly, there is always a real force that supports them with huge amounts of money.
I don’t know if the UN is really doing something to fight against those terrorist, I have read somewhere that they are also the one funding those terrorists. In that case, there’s no way for any of us nor them to stop these people to support terrorist with bitcoin. As long as there will be source of money or bitcoin from rich hidden supporters, they will keep on existing.
What you have read was a propaganda, anyway, it is just the fact that those who are on the sides of terrorist look at those anti terrorist as terrorist. Since they terrorize all the plan and put it all in jeopardy.
I think all cryptocurrency if terrorist find it helpful for them will be used. Dollar and cryptocurrency and even digital currency is no excuse.
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Quote from: paul gatt on April 29, 2017, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: tabas on April 29, 2017, 09:19:26 AM
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
If this is going to happen then the United Nations should take an action and kill our very own local currencies because mostly that is the medium that are being used by those terrorist for buying their arms. But I don’t think this is going to happen once world leaders sees a big potential that they can earn big money with bitcoin why they should kill it?
I think the UN can not do anything to stop it. Terrorists always have a way to use their money in their criminal work, and of course, bitcoin is just the means by which they can do the work. What we need to care about here, why they can own so much money / bitcoin while they have to shirk the government. Clearly, there is always a real force that supports them with huge amounts of money.
I don’t know if the UN is really doing something to fight against those terrorist, I have read somewhere that they are also the one funding those terrorists. In that case, there’s no way for any of us nor them to stop these people to support terrorist with bitcoin. As long as there will be source of money or bitcoin from rich hidden supporters, they will keep on existing.
What you have read was a propaganda, anyway, it is just the fact that those who are on the sides of terrorist look at those anti terrorist as terrorist. Since they terrorize all the plan and put it all in jeopardy.
I think all cryptocurrency if terrorist find it helpful for them will be used. Dollar and cryptocurrency and even digital currency is no excuse.
Oh yes, that’s the word about it, it’s a propaganda that has been made by those powerful people. It’s a sure thing that it will be used by terrorist if the bitcoin is being monitored then they will be shift to other crypto’s or alt coins that has lesser regulation and monitoring and it will be good for them.
Quote from: Cryptonite310 on April 30, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
BitCoin can be used to support bad things like this, but there are bad people using this tool out there. They can easily just use cash to trade value, in fact I would rather use cash than BitCoin for something illegal, because keep in mind, BitCoin is a public ledger of every single transaction being made in the world. Why would I want that to be recorded? The problem is people, not BitCoin.
Block chain is a public ledger but how come anyone know that i am sending the coins to a particular individual unless and until he is using a exchange wallet address where ID verification is mandatory.I really do not care about who is using what,people who use bitcoin for illegal purpose will find another way to send funds if that is blocked to them,so literally it wont change anything.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
I think bitcoin isn’t made to support a terrorist. I guess criminals only used bitcoin because of its advantage the “anonymity”. Besides not only bitcoin is being used in a wrong way but also fiat. I think it depend on us on how we will use it wether it is bad or good.
I don’t understand thought like this. “Bitcoin is used to finance terrorists?!” Well bitcoin has been used for a lot of things besides terrorism, we all know what’s going on dark web and most famous silk road. You can buy everything with bitcoin and I don’t find this surprising at all, to be honest.
I am afraid, one day will be hacked Bitcoin
Bitcoin is just like anything. USD, JPY, CHF, EUR, etc have a bunch of terrorists trying to make money with their currencies and the government does not really want to shut down the currency because their economy will collapse pretty easily.It’s pretty easily for the Government to try to blame Bitcoin for things because they think that people will stop using it.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
That is possible . Because Bitcoin is a virtual currency, it is not under the control of the government so black money flows can be circulated everywhere. So perhaps terrorist organizations will use this to provide economic resources for their activities. What’s the exact word?
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that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
Exactly we have a freedom to used it where we want. As long as you know how to used it then you can. But I think even we are free to used it anywhere maybe we should be responsible and used it well. I hope no one will used it in a bad thing but sadly I agree that terrorists can used it also in their evil plans.
Well I am sure that almost all the people in this forum have good intentions on how to use their bitcoins. Yes I agree, indeed we have freedom on how, where, and when we use it. But let us be practical and open minded, criminals and other people with bad intention and ebil minds will do anything to execute their plans. And for sure, they used bitcoins to do this plan.
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It can be used by terrorist or other bad organization.But bitcoin is not bad.It can used by everyone.I say that terrorist are problem therefore what are they used is not problem.
agree with you, with anonymity of bitcoin, every people can used bitcoin no matter he is related with terrorist or not. but i think if we can make a good thing with bitcoin then why should we make it for bad thing? its still better to do a good thing in our life and make decent of money for our life and make our life is worth.
That’s beyond the system control anymore, bitcoin is just a tool and it has its fixed function but if a person will decide to useit for illegal activities then it is his choice and it cannot be blame with bitcoin.If paper money is used for illegal activities like terrorism, how much more bitcoin which is more advance.
i am agree with you and in my mind, bitcoin is independent, not related with the good or the bad thing. only user will know what he want to do with his bitcoin. bitcoin itself is only a tool and everybody can used it by free even for just owning in their wallet. i think bitcoin and fiat is the same, is only user that could determine what is the function for him self.
Of course Every monetary system has its benefits and its failures, but the Fiat currency also has tax havens
Probably because all bitcoin transactions connected to the Internet network that makes all the transactions so much easier and also if transacting bitcoin in large numbers usually no one is suspicious because many do not know about bitcoin
Quote from: nankers on July 14, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Probably because all bitcoin transactions connected to the Internet network that makes all the transactions so much easier and also if transacting bitcoin in large numbers usually no one is suspicious because many do not know about bitcoin
Something very often raises the question of how yours can be connected with terrorists and it is thanks to their capabilities and dignity, very much helps an accessible environment. It seems to me that this will bring but that not only Bitcoin But all the crypto currency will be under strong control.
Quote from: chalkboard17 on July 07, 2017, 05:08:09 PM
I think bitcoin is being used to support terrorists. Money is used for bad purposes, right? So do bitcoin. If something has value, it will be abused for many other things. The war between good and evil will never over
Thats a realistic answer. Bitcoins are not yet used by terrorists and there are very rare chances of this to come true. People are little afraid of using it as main trading stream currency because of its decentralization and anonymity. However, all these issues will be resolved soon. So stay positive.
I say very likely, this is because the anonymous bitcoin transactions and can be used by terrorists for the cost of their activities. This should be immediately solved because it could make the reputation of the bitcoin drop.
Quote from: Paul Pogba on July 15, 2017, 02:29:44 AM
I say very likely, this is because the anonymous bitcoin transactions and can be used by terrorists for the cost of their activities. This should be immediately solved because it could make the reputation of the bitcoin drop.
Bitcoin can and is free to use anyone, open the wallet only takes 5 minutes without identity verification, and certainly very likely for terrorists to take advantage and use of the bitcoin.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Dont really support the terroridt when it comes in transaction but we all know that bitcoin is a great way to for the terrorist to make an a easy illegal transactions so better for them to use it but obviously bitcoin just wanted to make our life easier in currency.
Quote from: IadixDev on July 17, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
There was a funny moment when I was explaining btc to the boss of dev company in Paris, and I told him like would need to avoid it’s used to fund jihadism, and he laughted saying , barf we are already funding them anyway ! LmaoIt’s not like there are not big financial institutions mixed with those group, they dont need bitcoin for this
Haha, I think he is right about that. Anyways, I don’t think that bitcoin be used to support terrorist, because even the real money can be used in terrorist activities. I don’t like this idea to decrease the value of bitcoin with this bad things, maybe because it’s anonymously, terrorist like to use it., else it is like the real money. we can use it for bad or good things, it depend of the owner of bitcoins.
There was a funny moment when I was explaining btc to the boss of dev company in Paris, and I told him like would need to avoid it’s used to fund jihadism, and he laughted saying , barf we are already funding them anyway ! LmaoIt’s not like there are not big financial institutions mixed with those group, they dont need bitcoin for this
once a terrorist always a terrorist, it doesn’t matter what kind of medium of exchange for owning them a weapon or financial support for terrorist acts anything will do even if it is a bitcoin or not.they are exploiting the loopholes of bitcoin in terms of anonymity of transactions .being greedy and hunger of power is the root cause of evil doing and not by bitcoin alone.
Since it is hard to track where is the location of the sender and receiver of bitcoin then it can be an advantage for the people who will use bitcoin for bad purposes such as supporting the terrorists because they have the confidence that they can’t be tracked down so they will just use bitcoin without having any doubts or even fear.
I have never had strong evidence that terrorists are connected with bitcoin transactions, as long as this is just a diversion of issues because in the middle east country all internet activity is restricted and tapped by western countries, there is no privacy they can freely use, If problems are directed to North korea then I can believe because this country closed all access the outside world with the progress of information technology.
Because of it decentralised nature of BTC it is easy to use bitcoin anonymously . And it is used a lot in the dark webs as well. So there is always a chance that bitcoin to be used to support terrorist. But bitcoin is not the offender.
Quote from: lousie9 on August 03, 2017, 09:30:56 AM
I have never had strong evidence that terrorists are connected with bitcoin transactions, as long as this is just a diversion of issues because in the middle east country all internet activity is restricted and tapped by western countries, there is no privacy they can freely use, If problems are directed to North korea then I can believe because this country closed all access the outside world with the progress of information technology.
yes i personally have mo idea that either bitcoin has any link with terrorists or not, but my personal view is that they may not have any connection with bitcoin because bitcoin is a new emerging currency and still most of the people do not know about it.
Hello please I have problems in my deposed to poloniex I make maining in nanopool but when he send me etc in poloniex receive not my etc please where is the problem
Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 06, 2017, 08:51:40 AM
OP, believe me, you want that to happen. If you think “mainstream adoption” will take Bitcoin use to another level then you are gravely mistaken. It is the criminal, underworld use of Bitcoin that will take it to new heights in price and technology-wise.
Well,there is really rhis possibility that bitcoin be used to finance terrorist but who would want it. There cod always be ways even if it’s not bitcoin. We can never put the blame on bitcoin and I think this shouldn’t affect bitcoin’s reputation.
Not only bitcoins,any currency like USD could be used to support terrorists.Bitcoin is a digital currency and it is free to use for any one for any purpose,either good or bad.Bitcoin could not be blamed for that.If any one decides to use a crypto currency to support terrorists,then they may use zcash or monero for that instead of bitcoins since such coins provide full anonymity.
Bitcoin can be used all sorts of people, so this bitcoin can anyone use even terrorists can use bitcoin as their fund to perform its malicious actions.
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Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 06, 2017, 08:51:40 AM
OP, believe me, you want that to happen. If you think “mainstream adoption” will take Bitcoin use to another level then you are gravely mistaken. It is the criminal, underworld use of Bitcoin that will take it to new heights in price and technology-wise.
Well,there is really rhis possibility that bitcoin be used to finance terrorist but who would want it. There cod always be ways even if it’s not bitcoin. We can never put the blame on bitcoin and I think this shouldn’t affect bitcoin’s reputation.
Yes, it will not affect bitcoin’s reputation but this will hinder the success of it growing on a international-scale due to the potential trading scheme of it. Remember that due to bitcoin’s nature being decentralized, no one really controls the regulation and imposing of rules of bitcoins, thus making all trades and payments anonymous from one person to another. This poses a problem on the government on tracking monetary payment to terrorists and it is also possible for it being banned from different countries for security reasons.
Lots of money used by terrorists to do the things they design, even bitcoin can also be used because bitcoin is so common that anyone can use to support terrorists.
I think they are already using it right now everyone are free to use bitcoin and it has no restrictions whether its for illegal purposes or not no one cant stop using it since its decentralized and no one control it, even altcoins maybe use by terrorist and who cares its very easy to use after-all.
For countries like US,Russia, Israel they all know how to trace the bitcoin but the problem is how to foreknow the method of delivery and prevent it. Also for crime contribution ,how to monitor it? If bitcoin didn’t do this fiat can but a tedious way.
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On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
All the things you are worry about are already happening for long time. Indeed the bad news have negative impact on Bitcoin’s acceptance but nevertheless the price of it rising with time because there more and more people who can use their head to figure out that every currency is used by criminals and by terrorists and that Bitcoin doesn’t stand out in this regard.
Bitcoin was much attractive because of the anonymous nature, for the same it got increased usage on terrorist activities and illegal purposes.
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I think they are already using it right now everyone are free to use bitcoin and it has no restrictions whether its for illegal purposes or not no one cant stop using it since its decentralized and no one control it, even altcoins maybe use by terrorist and who cares its very easy to use after-all.
It doesn’t mean that because we are using bitcoin it would already give us the protection to hide illegal activities online, that will only happen temporarily as the government has all the resources and if they will make an effort against illegal transactions, they could trace them.If it’s untraceable, they would have ban this system because it’s a big threat to them, but it’s not happening and in fact we are growing now.
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For countries like US,Russia, Israel they all know how to trace the bitcoin but the problem is how to foreknow the method of delivery and prevent it. Also for crime contribution ,how to monitor it? If bitcoin didn’t do this fiat can but a tedious way.
I’m surprised with amount of ignorance in this topic, do you really think that governments are here stop terror and drugs? They are the ones who sell drugs and weapons, and they wish much bigger control of everything. Countries like US, Russia, Israel are making weapons and they sell weapons to so called terrorists, so they make profit out of it.People please start to think with your own head, don’t let them fill your brain with their lies!!!
Quote from: Vivace92 on April 06, 2017, 08:44:23 AM
Bitcoin is anonymous so that it can be freely used by anyone including the terrorists, I believe the current terrorist transactions will be redirected to the bitcoin so as to make them are not tracked.
Like what he said the bitcoins is anonymous is so it can be uses in many illegal transactions for ex. silk road..,By necessity the history of all the bitcoins must be highly public. However, if one has bitcoins on paid to address, one can theoretically choose the coins they spend in a way that will minimize the amount of information they leak. Choosing personally generated coins or an address that you know doesn’t reveal information would protect you. Unfortunately, the default Bitcoin client doesn’t support this currently, so you must assume that your entire balance can identify you if any of the addresses can. someone is scammed and posts the address they were using on the Bitcoin forum. It is possible to see which address they sent coins to. When coins are sent which were previously send to this (the scammer’s) address, the addresses that receive them can also be easily found and posted on the forum. In this way, all of these coins are marked as “dirty”, potentially over an infinite number of future transactions. When some smart and honest person notices that his address is now listed, he can reveal who he received those coins from. The Bitcoin community can now ask some pointed questions, “Who did you receive these coins from? What did you create this address for?” Eventually the original scammer will be found. Clearly, this becomes more difficult the more addresses that exist between the “target” and the “identity point”. So it can be use to support terrorist beside it already uses in illegal transactions;,,.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
if you make enough research, they won’t need bitcoin. Banks are calculated to make more money laundering. They might even move money in cash.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
if you make enough research, they won’t need bitcoin. Banks are calculated to make more money laundering. They might even move money in cash.
If you understand bitcoin then you will realized that they need bitcoin because bitcoin is anonymous and they can easily transfer money from one to another without being notice by the governments authorities. Bitcoin is being abused by the criminals in the black market and use it to sell and buy things illegally and we don’t need to be surprise if the terrorists also do the same.
It can really happen, bitcoin truly is flexible and has a fast transaction transfer any where in the world if you really know the bitcoin address of the person you will send it too, actually it is long known that it is being used in an illegal way and the authorities can’t make a move about it cause they don’t control bitcoin.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
if you make enough research, they won’t need bitcoin. Banks are calculated to make more money laundering. They might even move money in cash.
If you understand bitcoin then you will realized that they need bitcoin because bitcoin is anonymous and they can easily transfer money from one to another without being notice by the governments authorities. Bitcoin is being abused by the criminals in the black market and use it to sell and buy things illegally and we don’t need to be surprise if the terrorists also do the same.
It can really happen, bitcoin truly is flexible and has a fast transaction transfer any where in the world if you really know the bitcoin address of the person you will send it too, actually it is long known that it is being used in an illegal way and the authorities can’t make a move about it cause they don’t control bitcoin.
Being not able to control by the government is the main reason why bad guys have an eye on it, It is use before on blackmarket or illegal activities that doesn’t requires lots of detail or information on them. Bitcoin being abused by criminals that’s why some country were banning it. But hoping terrorist or anyone might be able to realize the benefits of bitcoin to everyone and not let their selfishness and being greedy rules them.
This pretty much follows the same sort of narrative that the MainStream Media tries to peg onto Bitcoin, which is that Bitcoin is only used by shady people on the internet to buy drugs and such. We all know this just isn’t true in the least and that that’s a small portion of all the Bitcoin usage which we see today.Bitcoin could be used by Terrorists, though it does seem to have to many issues to be able to used without an issue. As if they actually wanted to use the money they’d have to go through exchanges and such which would just be a hassle for them when they could just use cold hard cash.This is the same narrative we could use for cash “OH MY GOD IT’S BEING USED BY TERRORISTS, DRUG DEALERS, OTHER CRIMINALS, AND SO ON”
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
if you make enough research, they won’t need bitcoin. Banks are calculated to make more money laundering. They might even move money in cash.
If you understand bitcoin then you will realized that they need bitcoin because bitcoin is anonymous and they can easily transfer money from one to another without being notice by the governments authorities. Bitcoin is being abused by the criminals in the black market and use it to sell and buy things illegally and we don’t need to be surprise if the terrorists also do the same.
Sure, everything has it good side and bad side but mostly we all know its great intension to the world
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It can really happen, bitcoin truly is flexible and has a fast transaction transfer any where in the world if you really know the bitcoin address of the person you will send it too, actually it is long known that it is being used in an illegal way and the authorities can’t make a move about it cause they don’t control bitcoin.
Being not able to control by the government is the main reason why bad guys have an eye on it, It is use before on blackmarket or illegal activities that doesn’t requires lots of detail or information on them. Bitcoin being abused by criminals that’s why some country were banning it. But hoping terrorist or anyone might be able to realize the benefits of bitcoin to everyone and not let their selfishness and being greedy rules them.
I think bitcoin will always be used by two types of people in this world. The first person to use it for positive things and others will be used for negative things. Just as money in general bitcoin will always be used as such. And that the rights of every consumer, I personally use bitcoin for investment and never thought to use it in negative terms. Thank you
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Sure, everything has it good side and bad side but mostly we all know its great intension to the world
yes that is very right everything has its good and bad sides bitcoin can be use for both depending one the people who are using it. but i think yet majority of people are using it for good deeds.
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For countries like US,Russia, Israel they all know how to trace the bitcoin but the problem is how to foreknow the method of delivery and prevent it. Also for crime contribution ,how to monitor it? If bitcoin didn’t do this fiat can but a tedious way.
I’m surprised with amount of ignorance in this topic, do you really think that governments are here stop terror and drugs? They are the ones who sell drugs and weapons, and they wish much bigger control of everything. Countries like US, Russia, Israel are making weapons and they sell weapons to so called terrorists, so they make profit out of it.People please start to think with your own head, don’t let them fill your brain with their lies!!!
At the end of the day the Government is not getting the control they wanted. the picture on TV shows how it boomerangs. Are u also saying Government is benefiting from the wrong use of bitcoin?
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Sure, everything has it good side and bad side but mostly we all know its great intension to the world
yes that is very right everything has its good and bad sides bitcoin can be use for both depending one the people who are using it. but i think yet majority of people are using it for good deeds.
you are right that everything have good and bad effect so i do not think that bitcoin is using for terrorist because bitcoin is a digital currency and which is used for online shopping.
While there are few places where you can use and invest your bitcoins outsides digital, i really doubt terrorists will risk to have their funds frozen from banks just because they made a big value transfer or multiple transfers into their accounts. Im pretty sure that terrorists dont like too much something that changes a lot in minutes. They have already plenty ways to clean their dirty money soo why would they risk?
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
yes they can do it without a doubt. bitcoin is open for all those who wants it , invested on it and want to earn thru it. we cannot dictate other person to how and when they may need to spend it. decision is in their hands.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
yes they can do it without a doubt. bitcoin is open for all those who wants it , invested on it and want to earn thru it. we cannot dictate other person to how and when they may need to spend it. decision is in their hands.
Agree with you mate, bitcoin has freedom to used by all people in the world, users can spend bitcoin anywhere they want if they want to used in bad things they can and bitcoin is not required to give full personal information of each user that is why it is possible for that scenario.
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Sure, everything has it good side and bad side but mostly we all know its great intension to the world
yes that is very right everything has its good and bad sides bitcoin can be use for both depending one the people who are using it. but i think yet majority of people are using it for good deeds.
you are right that everything have good and bad effect so i do not think that bitcoin is using for terrorist because bitcoin is a digital currency and which is used for online shopping.
Ease of transaction as well the anonymity is the requirement for a terrorist or a unit. The same is possible with bitcoin, so we cannot completely deny that bitcoin is not used for terrorist activities. As one of the user stated everything has good and bad. The usage for good or bad depends upon the user who make use of it.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
It does make sense that terrorists might be interested in using bitcoin.However they can essentially do the same thing with any other fiat currency, in paper notes. They are in fact more untraceable than bitcoin because bitcoin has a public ledger, even though the identifiers are not linked to one single person.So you can’t blame bitcoin for providing a perfectly legitimate service.Much like bitcoin is being used for drugs, so is cash.
Quote from: Dorky on April 06, 2017, 05:45:08 AM
Who can verify the news is factual? Or simply made up?I have a member that was the head of a major mafia gang with global network. He managed the financials of this gang and at one time he was responsible to launder as much as 20% of the entire supply of Bitcoin available. It was no easy task. He had to use various means to spread (sort of) the Bitcoin allocation to various investment assets under the radar. Or course some of the means to do so includes using the services of localbitcoins.com and some unknown Bitcoin exchanges. Others include buying Bitcoin tokens from Chinese mining companies using Bitcoin itself. Today the gang has no more Bitcoin left. All successfully laundered into fiat. Do you believe this story? Who can verify as facts?Even I can write fake news.And by the way, did I tell you of a friend that is the step daughter of the ex-Phillipino prime minister? Apparently she is in ownership of some half a ton of pure gold bars.
first of all, the story is not made up!(http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance) And i am sure what kind of organization CCD is. certainly in this case, it did something good. my point is everything has two sides, if it could be used for good, it can also be used for bad. But is btc strong enough to face all this?
If a terrorist would want to keep anonimity its better not to use bitcoin, as its doable to trace the user with some effort put. His bitcoin exchange accounts could be suspended as it is required to give a personal data to withdraw a money into a bank account. So in my opinion the bitcoin gives no advantage to the terrorists and the cash is still the king in illegal activities. The only option I see that a terrorist can benefit from bitcoin is to store the value in bitcoins and make deals exchanging bitcoins for cash.
Quote from: SamMurphy on Today at 11:37:42 AM
The bitcoin can be used from all of us, even if you are good or bad person. We can’t be sure who use it and why. Not only terrorists but many bad guys using to do that they want. Bitcoin is anonymous, and we can control it who will use it. And that’s why we can’t complain about it, because like you, you don’t want anyone else know what did you do with bitcoin, we don’t have the authority to know about the others.
I’m sure it’s the users responsibility or judgement on how to use bitcoin, it can be use at anything as users preference. Whether bad or good, bitcoin is still a good tool for faster transaction online and it is the reason why it’s very popular now. Believe in bitcoin because it is the future…
Bitcoin donations or crypto currencies wont make any difference, nowadays big donations are made to support terrorists, and nothing happens at all, banks dont care what the money is for as long they get their fee, easy as that. Bitcoin is a currencie that can be used for both sides, and there is no way to prevent the abuse of any of them. I doubt terrorists will risk their money over bitcoin, since they can loose money doing such, and they do have their costs.
The bitcoin can be used from all of us, even if you are good or bad person. We can’t be sure who use it and why. Not only terrorists but many bad guys using to do that they want. Bitcoin is anonymous, and we can control it who will use it. And that’s why we can’t complain about it, because like you, you don’t want anyone else know what did you do with bitcoin, we don’t have the authority to know about the others.
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The bitcoin can be used from all of us, even if you are good or bad person. We can’t be sure who use it and why. Not only terrorists but many bad guys using to do that they want. Bitcoin is anonymous, and we can control it who will use it. And that’s why we can’t complain about it, because like you, you don’t want anyone else know what did you do with bitcoin, we don’t have the authority to know about the others.
I’m sure it’s the users responsibility or judgement on how to use bitcoin, it can be use at anything as users preference. Whether bad or good, bitcoin is still a good tool for faster transaction online and it is the reason why it’s very popular now. Believe in bitcoin because it is the future…
Of course. Bitcoin does not decide on how it will be used, it just follows on how its user wants it to be used. If the user want bitcoin to be used to pay for crimes, used to buy drugs, pay prostitutes, or any other bad and illegal things, the user can freely do so. The user can also use bitcoin for good or neutral things such as paying for goods and services, donations and alike. Bottomline, bitcoin is just a tool for payment, neither good nor bad.
i am not even suprised a bit with this news we all know what is bitcoin and how much privacy does it provides, and in addition to this some governments where trying to shut it down but thats because they still didn’t get its working system. in this type of situation ofcourse any terrorists can use it for their own benifits even the black market is using bitcoin from its start, we can see bitcoin at the tor network anywhere
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Bitcoin donations or crypto currencies wont make any difference, nowadays big donations are made to support terrorists, and nothing happens at all, banks dont care what the money is for as long they get their fee, easy as that. Bitcoin is a currencie that can be used for both sides, and there is no way to prevent the abuse of any of them. I doubt terrorists will risk their money over bitcoin, since they can loose money doing such, and they do have their costs.
The also use oil.
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The bitcoin can be used from all of us, even if you are good or bad person. We can’t be sure who use it and why. Not only terrorists but many bad guys using to do that they want. Bitcoin is anonymous, and we can control it who will use it. And that’s why we can’t complain about it, because like you, you don’t want anyone else know what did you do with bitcoin, we don’t have the authority to know about the others.
I’m sure it’s the users responsibility or judgement on how to use bitcoin, it can be use at anything as users preference. Whether bad or good, bitcoin is still a good tool for faster transaction online and it is the reason why it’s very popular now. Believe in bitcoin because it is the future…
Thats the right answer. Anyone with half a brain knows that its not the currency thats bad but the user in the criminal act. Bitcoin in itself is just as capable as and other digital currency or fiat currency and should not be condemned just because someone used it for a bad purpose. Almost everything in the world would be banned if governments ran countries like that. I think that Bitcoin will not have a problem with this issue.
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On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
if you make enough research, they won’t need bitcoin. Banks are calculated to make more money laundering. They might even move money in cash.
If you understand bitcoin then you will realized that they need bitcoin because bitcoin is anonymous and they can easily transfer money from one to another without being notice by the governments authorities. Bitcoin is being abused by the criminals in the black market and use it to sell and buy things illegally and we don’t need to be surprise if the terrorists also do the same.
It can really happen, bitcoin truly is flexible and has a fast transaction transfer any where in the world if you really know the bitcoin address of the person you will send it too, actually it is long known that it is being used in an illegal way and the authorities can’t make a move about it cause they don’t control bitcoin.
Being not able to control by the government is the main reason why bad guys have an eye on it, It is use before on blackmarket or illegal activities that doesn’t requires lots of detail or information on them. Bitcoin being abused by criminals that’s why some country were banning it. But hoping terrorist or anyone might be able to realize the benefits of bitcoin to everyone and not let their selfishness and being greedy rules them.
It makes sense why they are using it, to suffice their needs and I think it is more faster if you have done illegal things that a normal bitcoin mining would do, and In my opinion there are good and bad things that may happen in the bitcoin community when they are engaging with bitcoin the good thing provided by them are the large transaction happening with them when they bought bitcoin using fiat that is a score for us to heighten up bitcoin value, but the bad effect of it is the government would really be against bitcoin because it is being use by illegal traders most of the time.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Just like US dollars are used for all illegal activities,bitcoin may also be used to support terrorists.We could neither control such things,nor we could blame bitcoins for that.Bitcoin is a decentralized currency created by satoshi to free people from banks.Its up to users how they use it.
Bitcoin is completely free and it is used by everyone, if you think that terrorists use it for illegal activities, I think it is feasible. Bitcoins are really too convenient for them when they want to buy anything. And for terrorists, weapons are always important, and they certainly use bitcoin as a currency for exchange. The deep web is an example of that. Not too surprised about this, everything always exists bad side and good side. Bitcoin is no exception.
Probably but we know that bitcoin is anonymous and free to use by anyone who wants to use and also including the terrorist they are allowed to use bitcoin and but we dont allowed them to do illegal transaction but we cannot stop them to do that because we know the law in bitcoin and it can use by anyone in the world and it gives you a instant payment in the world.
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On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Just like US dollars are used for all illegal activities,bitcoin may also be used to support terrorists.We could neither control such things,nor we could blame bitcoins for that.Bitcoin is a decentralized currency created by satoshi to free people from banks.Its up to users how they use it.
Bitcoin has a higher chance to be used in illegal activities and terrorism because of some of its features such as being decentralized and can use even without submitting some identification forms. It is most likely being used in the deep web according to the article I had read.
It probably is already being used to support terrorists considering the illegal activities that we already know that it’s used for, an example of this is that it is used to buy illegal items on the darknet. Criminals are attracted to bitcoin as it offers anonymity (its very difficult to track). Being used by terrorists shouldn’t have a negative or positive impact on the currency as i am sure that these same terrorists use other currencies such as USD and probably even CAD.
In all honesty, bitcoin is very prone into being used as a gateway to send illegal funds to terrorists due to its pseudo-anonymous nature; it is much harder to track as to where the money really went even though everytime you send a coin it leaves some taints or trails which you can followbut that is easily prevented by using mixing services. Also, it is not new that weapons are being sold in exchange to bitcoins, so it might be that some weapons being used by terrorists are actually purchased using bitcoins.
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Bitcoin is completely free and it is used by everyone, if you think that terrorists use it for illegal activities, I think it is feasible. Bitcoins are really too convenient for them when they want to buy anything. And for terrorists, weapons are always important, and they certainly use bitcoin as a currency for exchange. The deep web is an example of that. Not too surprised about this, everything always exists bad side and good side. Bitcoin is no exception.
You’re right, sometimes things can be used for good and some are used for evil. Does not rule out that bitcoin is used to support terrorists, even it is also used in dark web. Well, it has been used for a long time on the site, the important thing is that it should use it for good.
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In all honesty, bitcoin is very prone into being used as a gateway to send illegal funds to terrorists due to its pseudo-anonymous nature; it is much harder to track as to where the money really went even though everytime you send a coin it leaves some taints or trails which you can followbut that is easily prevented by using mixing services. Also, it is not new that weapons are being sold in exchange to bitcoins, so it might be that some weapons being used by terrorists are actually purchased using bitcoins.
But if you just replace bitcoin with $100 bills and you have the exact same answer. Bitcoins are just basically online cash. Technically you could always trace the serial number on a bill too (or at least banks or the government could).
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Just like US dollars are used for all illegal activities,bitcoin may also be used to support terrorists.We could neither control such things,nor we could blame bitcoins for that.Bitcoin is a decentralized currency created by satoshi to free people from banks.Its up to users how they use it.
Bitcoin has a higher chance to be used in illegal activities and terrorism because of some of its features such as being decentralized and can use even without submitting some identification forms. It is most likely being used in the deep web according to the article I had read.
Do you have any reference that use of bitcoin in any illegal activities or use of terrorism. Bitcoin is being decentralized because of political cause so don’t connect that to this.I noticed that you have read article for reference. If you please share to below my quote or PM to me. I share better info about it.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
it’s already happened now. So is this make bitcoin have negative news or decrease their supporter? I dont think so, people choose bitcoin because it’s free money and decentralized. Just like in a real world, ppl used fiat money to do many bad things, so are they demand to money decrease? ofcourse not
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
yes they can do it without a doubt. bitcoin is open for all those who wants it , invested on it and want to earn thru it. we cannot dictate other person to how and when they may need to spend it. decision is in their hands.
Agree with you mate, bitcoin has freedom to used by all people in the world, users can spend bitcoin anywhere they want if they want to used in bad things they can and bitcoin is not required to give full personal information of each user that is why it is possible for that scenario.
bitcoin is global and anyone can use it for any purpose like all other kind of money. yes it is a currency just like fait money and can be used by them as well. it doesn’t have any restrictions for anyone and i think yes the possibility is there.
It is regardless of what a status of a person or a group/organization has to use bitcoins, even terrorist can even access it just to gain support financially. It depends on how the people use bitcoins be it for good or bad.It just gives them an alternative way to get the money for their activities and in doesn’t mean that bitcoins supports them.
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In all honesty, bitcoin is very prone into being used as a gateway to send illegal funds to terrorists due to its pseudo-anonymous nature; it is much harder to track as to where the money really went even though everytime you send a coin it leaves some taints or trails which you can followââ¬âbut that is easily prevented by using mixing services. Also, it is not new that weapons are being sold in exchange to bitcoins, so it might be that some weapons being used by terrorists are actually purchased using bitcoins.
But if you just replace bitcoin with $100 bills and you have the exact same answer. Bitcoins are just basically online cash. Technically you could always trace the serial number on a bill too (or at least banks or the government could).
People need more education on how crypto currencies work, how it makes life easy and that crypto currencies (bitcoin) is real money like yen, ã,$,ââ¹,ä,ââ¬,ÃÂ¥ no different in it be used for good like giving to charity organization, pay school fees of your children and services to gods or evil like finance terrorists, promoting porn, child trafficking and others evil in our societies.
Claiming that bitcoins are totally used to support terrorists or illegal work is wrong.Yes many might take use advantage of bitcoins being decentralized in a negative way,But this does not apply for all bitcoins have promoted competition among currencies.Also many big trading Giants have already started using bitcoins.So directly saying that bitcoins may be used to support terrorists is kinda wrong.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
First of all, i don’t know that Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam using bitcoin well finally bitcoin can prove that it can be implemented for such a serious situation like this which is good for helping people to hiding or something. I personally think that bitcoin could be used to support terrorist or other criminals activity, we all know that at this time it isn’t too hard to increase the anonymity of the bitcoin like using mixer, fully anonymity altcoin etc, so for those reasons, i must confess that bitcoin could be used to support terrorist activity but remember bitcoin can be used for good though for example Han Sol’s case like op mentioned above.
There is no way that we can have accurate estimation of number of BTC used to boost funding of terrorist. If you ever see some data - you need to know that this was probably manufactured, made up, or inaccurate.From what I know PayPal was used to found to fund terrorist activities in Indonesia, does that mean that we need to ban Paypal?
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yes bitcoin can be use to support terrorism and not only terrorism but anything illegal can be supported since it is anonymous and every transaction can not be trace it can easily support extremist activities, much easier now that the bitcoin started to accepts in some establishments as payment for purchasing something.
Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous and can be traced. your post just doesn’t make sense, and if i recall, there’s very few revelant news that informing if bitcoin support terrorism
Quote from: Amph on April 06, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
Definitely,Bitcoin has nothing to do with it.Just like US dollars,bitcoin is free to use and it depends upon the person for what they use for.Bitcoin is a wonderful innovation of this century which is going to change the world economy considerably and bitcoin could not be blamed if it is used for terrorist acts.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bitcoin is not doing nothing harmful to the society. So it can’t support terrorist tours bitcioin
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It is regardless of what a status of a person or a group/organization has to use bitcoins, even terrorist can even access it just to gain support financially. It depends on how the people use bitcoins be it for good or bad.It just gives them an alternative way to get the money for their activities and in doesn’t mean that bitcoins supports them.
That is also one of the purpose why bitcoin is really popular these days, no matter how you use it, or treat is, it is up to you, even if using it illegaly or using it to support terrorists. Bitcoin users has their freedom to use it no matter where and when, you can do whatever with it, it depends on you. If it is used by the terrorists, it doesn’t matter because they are also people who are taking advantage of the digital currency, we can’t blame bitcoin or it’s user, there is no one to blame.
Quote from: lemonade09 on April 22, 2017, 03:51:34 PM
Probably but we know that bitcoin is anonymous and free to use by anyone who wants to use and also including the terrorist they are allowed to use bitcoin and but we dont allowed them to do illegal transaction but we cannot stop them to do that because we know the law in bitcoin and it can use by anyone in the world and it gives you a instant payment in the world.
Yes so everything depend on the users of bitcoin what will do with bitcoin, it can be used for bad and good things i hope the peoples who doesn’t know about bitcoin, they doesn’t blame bitcoin. If there are people who use bitcoin for bad things like support terrorist because actually bitcoin be made not for support terrorist bitcoin be made for revolution of currency.
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Quote from: lemonade09 on April 22, 2017, 03:51:34 PM
Probably but we know that bitcoin is anonymous and free to use by anyone who wants to use and also including the terrorist they are allowed to use bitcoin and but we dont allowed them to do illegal transaction but we cannot stop them to do that because we know the law in bitcoin and it can use by anyone in the world and it gives you a instant payment in the world.
Yes so everything depend on the users of bitcoin what will do with bitcoin, it can be used for bad and good things i hope the peoples who doesn’t know about bitcoin, they doesn’t blame bitcoin. If there are people who use bitcoin for bad things like support terrorist because actually bitcoin be made not for support terrorist bitcoin be made for revolution of currency.
The correct theses about the anonymity and unreachability of attackersusing bitcoin were voiced. We know the advantages of bitcoin and itbecomes clear that it will not be possible to avoid misbehaving by badpeople of these qualities of bitcoins, including terrorists. But if the stateis legalizing bitcoin, the situation will change. But you just have to agreeto their control.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. This is something nice to do. BUt what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Let say that Han Sol was using gold instead of bitcoin, and may be he has some, do we say, now, that gold is used to support terrorism? Nobody could support something like that because rest of the people would laugh with him; Therefore, it’s only rumors so as people to be convinced that crypto currencies are used only for illegal activities.
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yes bitcoin can be use to support terrorism and not only terrorism but anything illegal can be supported since it is anonymous and every transaction can not be trace it can easily support extremist activities, much easier now that the bitcoin started to accepts in some establishments as payment for purchasing something.
Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous and can be traced. your post just doesn’t make sense, and if i recall, there’s very few revelant news that informing if bitcoin support terrorism
Well Bitcoin doesn’t really support terrorism, bitcoin support everyone that has a bitcoin, and that is the community, bitcoin services don’t have the knowledge in knowing who is the terrorist in the community they will just make transaction like that if there is one! certainly everyone can use bitcoin but it doesn’t mean that bitcoin is supporting terrorism and people with an illegal transaction involve using bitcoin, well Fiat currency was certainly been use in illegal too, why does bitcoin is the only one to gets all the blame?
Doofus…..he said it himself.
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bitcoin is not really supporting terrorist to do many illegal transaction but some how the bitcoin has a feature that the terrorist can use in many transaction like bitcoin is anonymous,fast,you can buy all over the world, a digital currency you can but in every store or in online store because they accept bitcoin like illegal online store silk road, dark net.
Sure btc get increased usage on terrorist activities and illegal purposes because of the anonymous nature.
Bitcoin is being used by a lot of illegal transaction but I dont think it is the terrorists. I havent seen one or any rumors out there and even when I google it or maybe some forum that they were talking about this. Even diving the deeper web.Oh! and terrorists are being funded by something else out there that we didn’t know. They use fiats.If ever they will use bitcoin we wont trace it also.
Quote from: Jordan23 on April 23, 2017, 12:06:30 PM
Doofus…..he said it himself.
It is hard to believe someone without any proof or solid evidence about this, though it is possible that bitcoin could be use by supporting the terrorist, but the big question here is who will support the terrorist? and going to use bitcoin for it? I guess it is a little hassle, they would rather use fiat for it, since it is just the same that they are going to support the terrorist.The only thing is they are anonymous if they are going to use bitcoin, but, still, the bottom line here is they are going to be revealed in the end because there is no secrets that can’t be reveal.
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Sure btc get increased usage on terrorist activities and illegal purposes because of the anonymous nature.
That is one of the reason why the government doesn’t want bitcoin is because bitcoin is anonymous and it can be abused by the corrupt people to do or pursue such illegal things like using it in the underground market and it can be use to support the terrorist also because the people or the team behind bitcoin will not notice this support because bitcoin is not traceable and they can easily abuse this because bitcoin is anonymous.
Quote from: Amph on April 06, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
everyone is free to use bitcoin in what and where do we need it. we cannot prohibited people that are bad to whom they are using it. Everyone has a privilege to use it and everyone is able to invest it anywhere. You can’t dictate everyone to where we can use it, invest it and spend it. We are all free to use it everywhere we wants it.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bitcoin was used from terrorists before your post. Terrorists of one of terrorists attacks a Paris have used it and this was mentioned by the Authorities. The problem is that I don’t see problem here. Or better. No problem compared to the other money. Bitcoin is money and can be used like the all other currencies. For bad and for good. Depends from the hands in which is used. So have any fault. The terrorist will go all at jail or dead and bitcoin will go higher and higher in value. 😉
Bitcoin is heavily used in deep web. There are lots of illegal activities going on there. But specifically it is funding terrorist is hard to say. Moreover, cash is already a best suited option for funding terrorist. Money laundering is happening, some of them are supported by some huge banks. So who needs bitcoin. I am not denying the possibility of bitcoin being used in terrorist activities. But fiat is preferred.
Quote from: Baby Dragon on Today at 01:43:21 PM
Absolutely no bitcoin dont support terrorist illegal transaction but luckily bitcoin has a features that terrorist that can use to make illegal transaction in all over the globe and can be a threat in any country.
But you don’t have to blame bitcoin for that. Terrorist is just taking advantage of bitcoin technology to used it in their illegal activities. This is one example why bitcoin is not being accepting by some countries. Because its de-centralize, government can’t control who are using it in illegal or illegal means. But I believed that fiat is only used to fund terrorist. So it doesn’t make sense for the government to ban bitcoin because both fiat and bitcoin can be used illegally.
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Absolutely no bitcoin dont support terrorist illegal transaction but luckily bitcoin has a features that terrorist that can use to make illegal transaction in all over the globe and can be a threat in any country.
Bitcoin is a technology, its not a society of politicians to support someone every other day. Its nothing to do with Bitcoin if terrorists use it for their own purposes. They use the technology of Guns and Bombs and Social media too for their purposes. Can we blame all on them..?
Well, bitcoin can be used for each person or group. We just do not know, where terrorist get fund, or do transaction, maybe they use bitcoin, but maybe not. But, it has great possibilities.
Anything is possible with bitcoin as it is as good as cash in fiat. Whether to support in terrorist or for good purposes it depends to someone who is utilizing it.Same with our fiat money whether you spend it to terror activity or for a noble one, its the holders choice.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bitcoin was used from terrorists before your post. Terrorists of one of terrorists attacks a Paris have used it and this was mentioned by the Authorities. The problem is that I don’t see problem here. Or better. No problem compared to the other money. Bitcoin is money and can be used like the all other currencies. For bad and for good. Depends from the hands in which is used. So have any fault. The terrorist will go all at jail or dead and bitcoin will go higher and higher in value. 😉
For some reason seeing this kind of incident was very normal indeed, and we can not do anything regarding this because all of us can use bitcoin, all of us has an authority in having a part of bitcoin with us and we can not do anything about it if a person or group would use bitcoin for their own interest, just like in Ohio were pair of the Ohio inmates were found using bitcoin in prison, The two inmates were able to effectively hijack the system by using stolen information from a former corrections employee and computers obtained from a hardware salvage program conducted at the prison. well that is a part of criminals using bitcoin in the news of Coindesk.
Absolutely no bitcoin dont support terrorist illegal transaction but luckily bitcoin has a features that terrorist that can use to make illegal transaction in all over the globe and can be a threat in any country.
In my opinion you need to be stupid to think that bitcoin is something that is made to help criminal groups, gangs or terrorists.It can obviously be used for purpose of financing such a terrorist organizations, or any different kinds of criminal groups that get profits from selling drugs, kidnapping people or just regular assasinations.But that doesnt mean that cryptocurrencies are something evil, in fact those “bad guys” use also USD or any other currency (depends on country) and nobody talks that we should delegalize $ just because of that.
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Absolutely no bitcoin dont support terrorist illegal transaction but luckily bitcoin has a features that terrorist that can use to make illegal transaction in all over the globe and can be a threat in any country.
Bitcoin is a technology, its not a society of politicians to support someone every other day. Its nothing to do with Bitcoin if terrorists use it for their own purposes. They use the technology of Guns and Bombs and Social media too for their purposes. Can we blame all on them..?
Well, bitcoin can be used for each person or group. We just do not know, where terrorist get fund, or do transaction, maybe they use bitcoin, but maybe not. But, it has great possibilities.
That’s correct, Bitcoin just like other fiats can be used for any transaction by anyone or terrorists for reasons best known to them without governments censorship so it’s possible but I hope the community and the core Devs for that matter might be able to come up with a way to stop the wrong usage of Bitcoin without breeching privacy.
As bitcoin has some good features that help in secure and end to transparent transaction with anonymity it is easy for terrorist and other illegal activities. But bitcoin is not developed with intentions of supporting terrorism or just for terrorist needs. Developed as a storage token that further gained several usability.
I can’t find the Reuters figure they are talking about, but this can’t be good:”According to Reuters, the European Union will move to clamp down on this digital currency which has reportedly been used to anonymously fund terrorism - the Paris ISIS attackers reportedly had a Bitcoin wallet worth more than $3m.”http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/internet/what-is-bitcoin-how-do-you-mine-it-3515249/
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I can’t find the Reuters figure they are talking about, but this can’t be good:”According to Reuters, the European Union will move to clamp down on this digital currency which has reportedly been used to anonymously fund terrorism - the Paris ISIS attackers reportedly had a Bitcoin wallet worth more than $3m.”http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/internet/what-is-bitcoin-how-do-you-mine-it-3515249/
Well, it’s not like something like this shouldn’t have been expected, but the thing is, the government is 100% using this as an excuse to make a move against Bitcoin and try to clamp down a ton of control onto something they would have no other legitimate reason to go after.While I’m not saying that the Paris attacks were a good thing, they definitely are being exploited as a means of controlling external assets here.
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As bitcoin has some good features that help in secure and end to transparent transaction with anonymity it is easy for terrorist and other illegal activities. But bitcoin is not developed with intentions of supporting terrorism or just for terrorist needs. Developed as a storage token that further gained several usability.
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
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Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
If terrorist use bitcoin for illegal activities what bad impact it has to bitcoin rather than the detractors will hang on to that aspect rather than understanding the real fact that they will use any method to fund their organization and most of the time fiat currency is used in terrorist activities so would that get a bad reputation for the currency they are using.
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Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
If terrorist use bitcoin for illegal activities what bad impact it has to bitcoin rather than the detractors will hang on to that aspect rather than understanding the real fact that they will use any method to fund their organization and most of the time fiat currency is used in terrorist activities so would that get a bad reputation for the currency they are using.
I don’t believe about this, because there is no evidence to show that terrorists use bitcoins to fund their groups. I think this is just government propaganda, because coincidence bitcoin also move underground and can’t be supervised by anyone. I think terrorists are stuffed toys from rulers of big countries, financial support and weapons of war are donated secretly, many people are too religious and forget that religion can be used as a propaganda by a country that wants to destroy them.
yes there is no evidence because we don’t know what for the transaction is send and we only know the amount in the transaction. without any proof, terrorists can send with any of amount and they still sending transaction into other wallet with their purpose, beside that they can send in any time without other people knowing what is their purpose to send and for who the amount they send. we don’t know if they have buy weapon or sending financial to other group or else.
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As bitcoin has some good features that help in secure and end to transparent transaction with anonymity it is easy for terrorist and other illegal activities. But bitcoin is not developed with intentions of supporting terrorism or just for terrorist needs. Developed as a storage token that further gained several usability.
Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
Of some articles bitcoin were created due to difficulties with banks with their transaction systems, that’s why many say bitcoin has two sharp edges if one of its users does something stupid then both will get hurt
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Yes and if bitcoin be used to support terrorists and other illegal activities, it will makes bad impact to bitcoin, the peoples who use bitcoin will be saw as bad people especially for the peoples who don’t know anything about bitcoin and they just know bitcoin be used to support terrorists from news of media, they take all of the news without learn about bitcoin and technology behind bitcoin.
If terrorist use bitcoin for illegal activities what bad impact it has to bitcoin rather than the detractors will hang on to that aspect rather than understanding the real fact that they will use any method to fund their organization and most of the time fiat currency is used in terrorist activities so would that get a bad reputation for the currency they are using.
I don’t believe about this, because there is no evidence to show that terrorists use bitcoins to fund their groups. I think this is just government propaganda, because coincidence bitcoin also move underground and can’t be supervised by anyone. I think terrorists are stuffed toys from rulers of big countries, financial support and weapons of war are donated secretly, many people are too religious and forget that religion can be used as a propaganda by a country that wants to destroy them.
Hasn’t Fiat been used for thousands of years to support criminal gangs and the Mafias that are running around rampant? Of course Bitcoin will be used for both good and negative purchases, businesses but that doesn’t make Bitcoin bad in itself. Bitcoin is neutral but people who use it can be either good or bad apples. I prefer to be an optimist but I do believe Bitcoin will also be used for illicit purposes, this is the unfortunate behavior of human beings that makes it a possibility.
Quote from: equator on April 27, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
If i remember first the bitcoin was introduced to use it for silk route to deal the underworld mafia transactions, and then after the silk route was shut down by the government the bitcoin technology was leaked out and then it came to the real world and everyone started to enjoy it, not it is more like a online digital currency. So it is upto the users to use it which ever way they want just like fiat currency is also used by both good and bad ways. Then why only bitcoin is getting so much of attention
True. Ive even watched the documentary of the deep web about the Silk Road. I dont actually get the whole story and who really is the mastermind of the den because there are so many holes in the documentation maybe because the information of the investigation is classified. Since then bitcoins name began to sprout and scattered to the new age. Image is from Google:Quote from: robocop3 on April 28, 2017, 07:45:28 AM
Sure btc get increased usage on terrorist activities and illegal purposes because of the anonymous nature.
Fiat is anonymous itself but you will need to transact face to face in order to hand over a money and bitcoins advantage is just a click away and transactions is finished, but that doesn’t mean that BTC is bad. Having a cryptoccurriences or not, terrorism will continue.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
I think bitcoin isn’t made to support a terrorist. I guess criminals only used bitcoin because of its advantage the “anonymity”. Besides not only bitcoin is being used in a wrong way but also fiat. I think it depend on us on how we will use it wether it is bad or good.
I don’t think bitcoin was started to support terrorist activities, but the people who are into such activities with fiat and USD started using it because of the anonymity it provides. Now this has decreased to a greater extent when more and more started to give preference as an potential investment.
Quote from: szpalata on Today at 10:59:08 AM
Bitcoin just like any other currency can be used to support terrorist because you can’t control its usage once they are in the wrong hands so it’s not a matter of “I will it be used for it” but it can actually be used for anything including funding terrorist.
But who’s gonna fund the terrorist? do you think some government would also fund the terrorist? but on the topic regarding bitcoin’s security and uncontrollable thing this kind of idea why it can be use in an illegal way and terrorist are definitely gonna make a move because of it, and there are reports out there that bitcoin can be use by criminals as well, and just like money everybody needs money and bitcoin is an ideal way to make transaction unnoticed.
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Quote from: szpalata on Today at 10:59:08 AM
Bitcoin just like any other currency can be used to support terrorist because you can’t control its usage once they are in the wrong hands so it’s not a matter of “I will it be used for it” but it can actually be used for anything including funding terrorist.
But who’s gonna fund the terrorist? do you think some government would also fund the terrorist? but on the topic regarding bitcoin’s security and uncontrollable thing this kind of idea why it can be use in an illegal way and terrorist are definitely gonna make a move because of it, and there are reports out there that bitcoin can be use by criminals as well, and just like money everybody needs money and bitcoin is an ideal way to make transaction unnoticed.
You said it right, some of the politicians supports terrorists around the world and they fund the terrorist for their own desire or to get power over to that country. Bitcoin is very prone to illegal activities because of its security features like being untraceable and also high security in your account which makes the criminals use it.
Bitcoin just like any other currency can be used to support terrorist because you can’t control its usage once they are in the wrong hands so it’s not a matter of “I will it be used for it” but it can actually be used for anything including funding terrorist.
Yes it can be used by terrorists if the find their hands on some but afaik fiat is already there for them as the have already established several channelspass on their monies. Bitcoin could actually disrupt their network because of ever changing prices making it not the best choice.
Quote from: Aikidoka on April 30, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
Anything can be used to support terrorists, and bitcoin is available for all people lol
Can cryptocurrencies be used to support terrorist groups? First we’d have to displace their most important funding mechanisms, which are the US dollar and oil (some of which our governments gave to them directly). We live in a world where criminals use technology (money, telephones, shoes), but we don’t ban those technologies just because criminals use them. Most of humanity will use them for food, sanitation, healthcare etc. It is a fake promise that we’re going to stop terrorism by controlling everyone’s money, because all it does is exclude billions of people from the global financial system.
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Quote from: myhung76393 on May 19, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
I am afraid, one day will be hacked Bitcoin
what means of it? you want to hack or you afraid if bitcoin get hacked someday and the hacker get all bitcoin,,,if something like that it is maybe already happened. because some people get hacked and hacker will use any way to steal someone’s coin
It is difficult to decipher the algorithm Bitcoin, Bitcoin no improvement in security, so for this reason no longer secure Bitcoin
Quote from: myhung76393 on Today at 03:23:16 AM
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Quote from: myhung76393 on May 19, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
I am afraid, one day will be hacked Bitcoin
what means of it? you want to hack or you afraid if bitcoin get hacked someday and the hacker get all bitcoin,,,if something like that it is maybe already happened. because some people get hacked and hacker will use any way to steal someone’s coin
It is difficult to decipher the algorithm Bitcoin, Bitcoin no improvement in security, so for this reason no longer secure Bitcoin
Bitcoin is used for some years now, Many users now are being known and use bitcoin for many years now, and bitcoin has never been hacked, some wallets that other developers made got hacked, but not the bitcoin itself. Bitcoin is a innovative currency and no one knows or plan to hack it, they may make new coins, but they will never hack bitcoin.
Quote from: myhung76393 on May 19, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
I am afraid, one day will be hacked Bitcoin
what means of it? you want to hack or you afraid if bitcoin get hacked someday and the hacker get all bitcoin,,,if something like that it is maybe already happened. because some people get hacked and hacker will use any way to steal someone’s coin
This bitcoin can be used freely by anyone including terrorists, even the possibility of transactions directed to bitcoin so as not to be tracked by anyone.
Fiat/Real money is being used since long time ago to support terrorists so how much more Bitcoin that is decentralize. the essence of Bitcoin is to work as a medium of exchange using cryptography to secure the transactions. Bitcoin is money even though it is not tangible it is money and it will be use to deal with bad things in the world. So whatever the intentions of the individual that is holding a Bitcoin must be responsible.
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Quote from: YuginKadoya on May 15, 2017, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: szpalata on May 15, 2017, 10:59:08 AM
Bitcoin just like any other currency can be used to support terrorist because you can’t control its usage once they are in the wrong hands so it’s not a matter of “I will it be used for it” but it can actually be used for anything including funding terrorist.
But who’s gonna fund the terrorist? do you think some government would also fund the terrorist? but on the topic regarding bitcoin’s security and uncontrollable thing this kind of idea why it can be use in an illegal way and terrorist are definitely gonna make a move because of it, and there are reports out there that bitcoin can be use by criminals as well, and just like money everybody needs money and bitcoin is an ideal way to make transaction unnoticed.
You said it right, some of the politicians supports terrorists around the world and they fund the terrorist for their own desire or to get power over to that country. Bitcoin is very prone to illegal activities because of its security features like being untraceable and also high security in your account which makes the criminals use it.
It is really bad if criminals, or terrorist would use something that are reliable and have been use by everyone in a convenient way but I think there is a good thing about this that we users of bitcoin are benefiting from it, and I think it is obvious that they have shared something about the rate of bitcoin right now, no doubt about it. but I guess we shouldn’t be thankful about it because they can do something like this that are evil in the sight of our GOD,
Recently the spread the of the new malware “wannacry” which hit some 100 or so countries where data of people were locked and to get the data back to the people the organisation demanded 300$ of bitcoin.This was the first i saw bitcoin used for the wrong purpose. As it not possible to know where the money goes who sends it bitcoin can be used for other wrong purposes as well.
That is the problem of being a decentralized currency, that will be used by governments not to allow bitcoin.
I do not think that now Bitcoin is used by terrorists, and if they use it, it’s very difficult to find out about this, and I think that nobody will find out.
Bitcoin is money like dollar, euro, pound, etc.and every one can use it as He/She can use dollar I think there is nothing to be worry about. terrorists can use dollar and so many other currencies too. They know the method.
Yes terrorists are using bitcoin too by doing some shitty transaction online or in dark web many of them are knew about bitcoin or those who are actually in dark net they are making illegal transaction there or accepting payment if they had works to do.
Quote from: molsewid on Today at 12:54:40 PM
Yes terrorists are using bitcoin too by doing some shitty transaction online or in dark web many of them are knew about bitcoin or those who are actually in dark net they are making illegal transaction there or accepting payment if they had works to do.
Everyone’s using bitcoin to their own usage and will, including terrorists. I feel that Bitcoin is also helping terrorist in a way that bitcoin transaction are secure and anonymous and no one will be able to track the sender receiver for the illegal things. It may be used to purchase high explosive weapons or even drugs etc. But still we cannot suggest Bitcoin is responsible for this all terrorist activities. Its just helping them to hide their identity and keep doing illegal work in darknet.
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Quote from: jekjekman on May 20, 2017, 04:11:06 AM
Fiat/Real money is being used since long time ago to support terrorists so how much more Bitcoin that is decentralize. the essence of Bitcoin is to work as a medium of exchange using cryptography to secure the transactions. Bitcoin is money even though it is not tangible it is money and it will be use to deal with bad things in the world. So whatever the intentions of the individual that is holding a Bitcoin must be responsible.
As long as bitcoin holds an equivalent value in the form of US dollars then it can be used to fund terrorists. If dollars can be used then how much more bitcoin which can be sent without the anti-money laundering commission eyeing your transactions. But of course any illegal transactions will still be uncovered and sooner or later the authorities will gonna find out who is behind this kind of illicit transactions.
It seems that you just repeat what I am trying to say, lol. You are exactly right about that every single thing that has value can be use or trade to another bad things, it is just a matter who will use that valuable thing.
Quote from: Amph on April 06, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
Correct, the only thing about here is that we are worrying about this too much. Who cares if bitcoin will be used on supporting the terrorist? those who are going to use bitcoin in an illegal way should be the one worrying about this, and not us. But of course it would be a problem since it would be hard to track people who’s using it on the illegal ways because bitcoin is anonymous.Maybe that is why terrorist are taking this advantage to pursue their every mission to destroy the world, their enemies.
Quote from: emezh10 on Today at 01:32:27 PM
Obsolutely not it will not support terrorist because obvioulsy it is illegal when that happened probably it will be banned all over the world but luckily the bitcoin can be use by terrorist to have a transaction all over the globe easyli using bitcoin thats illegal but not illegal having a transaction in bitcoin.
Bitcoin is a digital currency that is been used by.many people online which gives you anonymity and decentralized currency. Anonymity, which makes it more ideal to be used in illegal activities. Bitcoin is been used in the past in many illegal activities, but still bitcoin is still circulating a country’s blood. Even if bitcoin is used in such a way, bitcoin is not in the wrong, the user is the wrong one, not the bitcoin.
Quote from: emezh10 on Today at 01:32:27 PM
Obsolutely not it will not support terrorist because obvioulsy it is illegal when that happened probably it will be banned all over the world but luckily the bitcoin can be use by terrorist to have a transaction all over the globe easyli using bitcoin thats illegal but not illegal having a transaction in bitcoin.
Transaction over bitcoin is not illegal, that is why they can use bitcoin and use it’s anonymity to hide their selves from the authority that is why no one can guess if a transaction over bitcoin is use for illegal or not, we can not simply determine it for now and this kind of transaction are really added to the community as legal.
Re: Will bitcoin be used to support terrorists?I hate this kind of FUD & trolling, everything that has a monetary value has & will be used in illegal activity. Cash is the main thing used for this.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
They will use bitcoin as their money transaction but doesn’t mean it’s supported by people for bad doings like that. Even real money or tangible money can be used to support bad groups like terrorists. They will use their money in many ways on whatever they want. I think money is the number one powerful tools in the world so now, bitcoin is the one of leading digital currency in our technology age and it will also be dominating other currency because it can be easily owned.
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Quote from: jekjekman on May 20, 2017, 04:11:06 AM
Fiat/Real money is being used since long time ago to support terrorists so how much more Bitcoin that is decentralize. the essence of Bitcoin is to work as a medium of exchange using cryptography to secure the transactions. Bitcoin is money even though it is not tangible it is money and it will be use to deal with bad things in the world. So whatever the intentions of the individual that is holding a Bitcoin must be responsible.
As long as bitcoin holds an equivalent value in the form of US dollars then it can be used to fund terrorists. If dollars can be used then how much more bitcoin which can be sent without the anti-money laundering commission eyeing your transactions. But of course any illegal transactions will still be uncovered and sooner or later the authorities will gonna find out who is behind this kind of illicit transactions.
It is really an obvious answer. If Bitcoin is the most used currency in the dark web what more can it do to give terrorist at an advantage? But as of right now we still don’t have any proof that Bitcoin is being use by terrorist in their transactions. But to tell you another answer terrorist also have other ways to get what they want even without the aid of any kind of money. From looting villages for food to ambushing troops for weapons they can easily get what they want without money.
Can’t deny that bitcoin is not used for illegal and terrorist activities. But right now we don’t have any proof describing bitcoin to be the most used currency for transaction by terrorists. USD is the much used currency for terrorism, and the volume Keep on increasing regularly. Other way is what the above mate quoted such as ambushing troops, demanding ransom with hijack, etc.
Quote from: molsewid on Today at 12:54:40 PM
Yes terrorists are using bitcoin too by doing some shitty transaction online or in dark web many of them are knew about bitcoin or those who are actually in dark net they are making illegal transaction there or accepting payment if they had works to do.
They have a broad way of thinking and for sure they are aware that there’s an existing coin that can be used for paying illegal things that they will purchase. In everything that we are using, it can be used for good or bad depending on how they are going to use it. And as the title is asking, for sure they are doing it.
Obsolutely not it will not support terrorist because obvioulsy it is illegal when that happened probably it will be banned all over the world but luckily the bitcoin can be use by terrorist to have a transaction all over the globe easyli using bitcoin thats illegal but not illegal having a transaction in bitcoin.
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Quote from: molsewid on Today at 12:54:40 PM
Yes terrorists are using bitcoin too by doing some shitty transaction online or in dark web many of them are knew about bitcoin or those who are actually in dark net they are making illegal transaction there or accepting payment if they had works to do.
Everyone’s using bitcoin to their own usage and will, including terrorists. I feel that Bitcoin is also helping terrorist in a way that bitcoin transaction are secure and anonymous and no one will be able to track the sender receiver for the illegal things. It may be used to purchase high explosive weapons or even drugs etc. But still we cannot suggest Bitcoin is responsible for this all terrorist activities. Its just helping them to hide their identity and keep doing illegal work in darknet
Personally, I don’t think that real terrorists are using Bitcoin muchAnd by these I mean dudes from ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and similar gangs. Despite claims of being anonymous, Bitcoin is not anonymous and can still be traced provided enough resources are employed. But this is not the main reason. The scale of warfare that these groups are engaged in requires dozens if not hundreds of millions of dollars constantly flowing in to pay for ammo, arms, and meat. Bitcoin is simply not usable on this scale. Saudi Arabia seems to be spending literally billions of dollars on terrorism, obviously they don’t care about bitcoins
Quote from: emezh10 on Today at 01:32:27 PM
Obsolutely not it will not support terrorist because obvioulsy it is illegal when that happened probably it will be banned all over the world but luckily the bitcoin can be use by terrorist to have a transaction all over the globe easyli using bitcoin thats illegal but not illegal having a transaction in bitcoin.
It does not matter if it is illegal or not. It will probably be used anyway the same way it is already used on the deep web in the purchase of drugs and other illegal products. The only issue is if countries like the USA start to ban the coin because they don’t have any control over IF.
Im sure it will happen, although they may prefer more anonymous coins like Monero. I really dont think its a bid deal, however; all currencies are used for bad things as well as good things.
Quote from: molsewid on Today at 12:54:40 PM
Yes terrorists are using bitcoin too by doing some shitty transaction online or in dark web many of them are knew about bitcoin or those who are actually in dark net they are making illegal transaction there or accepting payment if they had works to do.
It’s normal activities of the terrorists or bad ppl. They also human being, so why didn’t take advantage this technology? If they used in illegal purposes because all people have freedom to use bitcoin no matter what where they want to use their bitcoin. We don’t worried about that so much. But like us real user we condemn this type of uses.
It can be utilized quite recently like different monetary standards however the benefits of Bitcoin makes it more simpler for these freaks to receive it as their standard money as it pays worldwide with no unbending checks
Quote from: mastermold on April 06, 2017, 10:08:07 AM
Bitcoin are not generally used for funding terrorist group. Banks already support money laundering, you can google some bank scandals. Yes bitcoin can be used for the same but so anything that have value. Due to the limited use of bitcoin, it is still not preferred.
Totally agree with you. It depend on the one how to use. For bad or good things. BTC vs Gold, i think the will prefer gold for kind of transactions.
Quote from: jekjekman on May 20, 2017, 04:11:06 AM
Fiat/Real money is being used since long time ago to support terrorists so how much more Bitcoin that is decentralize. the essence of Bitcoin is to work as a medium of exchange using cryptography to secure the transactions. Bitcoin is money even though it is not tangible it is money and it will be use to deal with bad things in the world. So whatever the intentions of the individual that is holding a Bitcoin must be responsible.
As long as bitcoin holds an equivalent value in the form of US dollars then it can be used to fund terrorists. If dollars can be used then how much more bitcoin which can be sent without the anti-money laundering commission eyeing your transactions. But of course any illegal transactions will still be uncovered and sooner or later the authorities will gonna find out who is behind this kind of illicit transactions.
There is an interesting article on this:http://bitcoinist.com/report-7-btc-funded-terrorism/Im not sure how they can figure it out, though people forget that most “terrorist” activity is done through cash and in the form of USD. BTC being used for such a thing is usually the method by which they deter people from it and it is absolutely rubbish. Another thing to consider: USA has sold over 100B USD worth of weapons to the Saudi’s -> http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.htmlI am not sure how you define terrorism, but a nation that still beheads people and attacked Yemen against International Laws should not be given such a support. So then we should look at who is really funding terrorism and if you look at the bigger picture, then Bitcoin is deff not a worry.
Bitcoin can be used with anything including to finance terrorist activity, this is because if they send money via bank funds will be on hold by the bank because they would for illegal activities.
Yes it can be used to support terrorists, so can be USD or any other currency. Why governments hate bitcoins is because they can’t control bitcoin and its supply. As seen in case of Charlie Shrem, where he was held guilty of money laundering just because he sold bitcoins to one person out of so many persons who was involved in the case of drug dealing. They don’t held banks guilty of giving money to drug dealers and neither put the bank officials behind the bars.
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Quote from: myhung76393 on May 19, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
I am afraid, one day will be hacked Bitcoin
what means of it? you want to hack or you afraid if bitcoin get hacked someday and the hacker get all bitcoin,,,if something like that it is maybe already happened. because some people get hacked and hacker will use any way to steal someone’s coin
It is difficult to decipher the algorithm Bitcoin, Bitcoin no improvement in security, so for this reason no longer secure Bitcoin
IMO, to be hacked is impossible seems this is decentrelized, once you submit wrong data you will be rejected from network. But there are possibility for phishing and mining manipulation attempt (by monopoly the hashing power).
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Quote from: jekjekman on May 20, 2017, 04:11:06 AM
Fiat/Real money is being used since long time ago to support terrorists so how much more Bitcoin that is decentralize. the essence of Bitcoin is to work as a medium of exchange using cryptography to secure the transactions. Bitcoin is money even though it is not tangible it is money and it will be use to deal with bad things in the world. So whatever the intentions of the individual that is holding a Bitcoin must be responsible.
As long as bitcoin holds an equivalent value in the form of US dollars then it can be used to fund terrorists. If dollars can be used then how much more bitcoin which can be sent without the anti-money laundering commission eyeing your transactions. But of course any illegal transactions will still be uncovered and sooner or later the authorities will gonna find out who is behind this kind of illicit transactions.
It is really an obvious answer. If Bitcoin is the most used currency in the dark web what more can it do to give terrorist at an advantage? But as of right now we still don’t have any proof that Bitcoin is being use by terrorist in their transactions. But to tell you another answer terrorist also have other ways to get what they want even without the aid of any kind of money. From looting villages for food to ambushing troops for weapons they can easily get what they want without money.
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Quote from: myhung76393 on May 19, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
I am afraid, one day will be hacked Bitcoin
what means of it? you want to hack or you afraid if bitcoin get hacked someday and the hacker get all bitcoin,,,if something like that it is maybe already happened. because some people get hacked and hacker will use any way to steal someone’s coin
It is difficult to decipher the algorithm Bitcoin, Bitcoin no improvement in security, so for this reason no longer secure Bitcoin
We can not deny that technical dollars have achieved great financial investment success.Because bitcoin is not under the control of anyone, it can be a significant risk to your entire investment. From the time the investment is completed with the virtual number, bitcoin can become a deadly prey for network crime.
yes it is, i think that we cannot prohibits bitcoin to be earn and spend by the bad people or other people, we cannot recognized who are using bitcoin , everyone is free to earn this, and i think in the dark web as they have been said, the unit of money that has been payment to them is bitcoin , i think bitcoin is free to use by everyone who are in needs.
Quote from: Jalum on May 19, 2017, 08:02:32 PM
Bitcoin is just like anything. USD, JPY, CHF, EUR, etc have a bunch of terrorists trying to make money with their currencies and the government does not really want to shut down the currency because their economy will collapse pretty easily.It’s pretty easily for the Government to try to blame Bitcoin for things because they think that people will stop using it.
True. It’s just a medium, just travelling though frequences but like money it’s just a tool used for transaction. The problem here is we always blame something like BTC because we can’t stop the immoral acts so we blame it to the materials of society not knowing that the real problem lies on our selves. Humanity are just afraid to take responsibility to all of this that’s why they are passing the responsibility to tools and stuffs and beliefs.
Bitcoin maybe Regulated or destroyed but no can destroy cryptocurrency/Blockchain unless you kill the Internet (very unlikely) . It more like a moron uprooting a community Bank gaint door and hiding it in a forest believing that no one will have access to the Bank.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
It is possible because it is anonymous and decentralized we have seen it happening in the darknet so it could happen and it’s happening right now,it’s a currency no one controls unlike a credit card and world leaders will definitely do something if bitcoin become the source of funding of terrorist acts and organizations.
Still on dark market, a lot of people are using bitcoin, would it be hackers, terrorist or drug dealers. Because of safe and non-visible transactions.
Just like US dollars,bitcoin is free to use for every one.Either it could be used for good or for illegal and terrorist activities.If terrorists want to use bitcoins,they have much better choice like Monero and Zcash which provide full anonymity.Bitcoin transactions could be easily traced since it is pseudo anonymous.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
There is a possibilty that bitcoin support terrorists. There are a lot of terrorist that that have wide influence. Maybe some of them do bitcoin. If bitcoin is really used by the terrorists and world leaders notice it, I think world leaders will make action to stop it. If there are many terrorists, I’m sure world leaders will have a lot of ways to stop them. I think they will not kill bitcoin because it will affect and stop not lonly terrorist but also the innocent people.
Quote from: itsallpc on Today at 11:18:48 AM
Just like US dollars,bitcoin is free to use for every one.Either it could be used for good or for illegal and terrorist activities.If terrorists want to use bitcoins,they have much better choice like Monero and Zcash which provide full anonymity.Bitcoin transactions could be easily traced since it is pseudo anonymous.
just like any other currency, terrorist may free to use any currency that they consider suitable to use, but in fact bitcoin is not yet so much popular and may be the terrorist are not so much educated to use computer and internet for using bitcoin.
Everyone can use bitcoin in different ways even it in good time or bad time. Bitcoin is not variant to fiat or any form of money, as long as it have a value it will use in many ways even supporting in terrorist group.
Bitcoin can be used for almost everything that other currencies able to do, whether it’s bad or good. ‘Killing’ bitcoin to stop such bad actions isn’t the best way to be picked. There are still plenty of ways they can do to catch the criminals.
What makes you think terrorists dont already use it?
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What makes you think terrorists dont already use it?
Bitcoin is simply not very suitable to be used by terroristsIt may in fact be used for financing certain terrorist attacks but it wouldn’t be possible at a larger scale like financing, say, ISIS and their likes since waging a war is very expensive and costs literally many billions of dollars. Obviously, it is the US dollar which is used to buy weapons, foods and pay “wages” by such countries like Saudi Arabia with their multibillion dollar reserves. Apart from that, if Bitcoin were actually used by terrorists in any significant degree, there would be a lot of noise and huge negative publicity. This doesn’t of course mean that Bitcoin can’t be used by special services and agencies
I came out of a meeting today where someone suddenly brought up North Korea and how they’re the ones responsible for the crypto boom of last two weeks as they were seeking to hide their assets… I almost wanted to say how that didn’t make sense because Bitcoin would expose them to a thousand different people with reasons to want to track them (hackers, activisits, etc.).The logistical nightmare of crypto financing huge operations like ISIS is already insurmountable. Let’s say they only wanted to turn oil money into Bitcoin, then we’re talking about a conservative estimate of 3 million USD worth of oil daily - who on earth would trade 1,000 Bitcoins with ISIS every day? They’d be traced so quickly.
I do not think so. How terrorists disburse the funds sent to them, there is no possibility of it. Bitcoin never be used to support terrorists.
Every coin has two sides, every currency has both positive and negative using. It depends on you how you can use it and which purpose you are going to use it, so it doesn’t matter if Bitcoin is using in the terrorism purpose because bitcoin itself can’t to any terrorism activities, it’s a material things so no one can blame on bitcoin…
Quote from: Sowik on Today at 01:49:13 PM
What makes you think terrorists dont already use it?
Bitcoin is simply not very suitable to be used by terroristsIt may in fact be used for financing certain terrorist attacks but it wouldn’t be possible at a larger scale like financing, say, ISIS and their likes since waging a war is very expensive and costs literally many billions of dollars. Obviously, it is the US dollar which is used to buy weapons, foods and pay “wages” by such countries like Saudi Arabia with their multibillion dollar reserves. Apart from that, if Bitcoin were actually used by terrorists in any significant degree, there would be a lot of noise and huge negative publicity. This doesn’t of course mean that Bitcoin can’t be used by special services and agencies
Quote from: kpcian on Today at 01:42:13 PM
Every coin has two sides, every currency has both positive and negative using. It depends on you how you can use it and which purpose you are going to use it, so it doesn’t matter if Bitcoin is using in the terrorism purpose because bitcoin itself can’t to any terrorism activities, it’s a material things so no one can blame on bitcoin…
Yes we cannot blame bitcoins if it will be used for terrorism. The main purpose of bitcoin is to act as what it is made of. But it will be sad if terrorist rootin for bitcoins to us3 for all their illegal transactions. And it is not impossible for bitcoin if it will be used for such act. We cannot blame them since bitcoin is close to perfection.
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What makes you think terrorists dont already use it?
Bitcoin is simply not very suitable to be used by terroristsIt may in fact be used for financing certain terrorist attacks but it wouldn’t be possible at a larger scale like financing, say, ISIS and their likes since waging a war is very expensive and costs literally many billions of dollars. Obviously, it is the US dollar which is used to buy weapons, foods and pay “wages” by such countries like Saudi Arabia with their multibillion dollar reserves. Apart from that, if Bitcoin were actually used by terrorists in any significant degree, there would be a lot of noise and huge negative publicity. This doesn’t of course mean that Bitcoin can’t be used by special services and agencies
I came out of a meeting today where someone suddenly brought up North Korea and how they’re the ones responsible for the crypto boom of last two weeks as they were seeking to hide their assets… I almost wanted to say how that didn’t make sense because Bitcoin would expose them to a thousand different people with reasons to want to track them (hackers, activisits, etc.).The logistical nightmare of crypto financing huge operations like ISIS is already insurmountable. Let’s say they only wanted to turn oil money into Bitcoin, then we’re talking about a conservative estimate of 3 million USD worth of oil daily - who on earth would trade 1,000 Bitcoins with ISIS every day? They’d be traced so quickly
It is not only thatBut that is certainly enough to make Bitcoin pretty inconsequential to such “initiatives” and people behind them. Even if we assumed that Bitcoin were completely anonymous, it is just too small and insignificant to make any impact in this respect. If we also assumed that Bitcoin transactions were instantly fast, its price would be in 6-7 digits already, though it would be completely unusable due to insane volatility
i saw about 5-6 discussion here about the exact same topic.there is nothing about bitcoin that make it more or less used for criminal activities
Quote from: itsallpc on June 14, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
Just like US dollars,bitcoin is free to use for every one.Either it could be used for good or for illegal and terrorist activities.If terrorists want to use bitcoins,they have much better choice like Monero and Zcash which provide full anonymity.Bitcoin transactions could be easily traced since it is pseudo anonymous.
It’s not the anonymity in transactions p2p that terorist seek.They seek anonymity at transferring funds all the way and with monero or zcash what are you gong to do?Use the only guy that sells those altcoins in a country?With bitcoins you can exchange 1 million dollars in less than a day using just small traders via localbitcoins.Can you do that with monero or zcash? Of course not.And I doubt there is a terrorist organization running on btc in syria or afghanistan.They need $ not BTC
RUSI consultant David Carlisle said that there is a lot of attention given to the possibility of bitcoin being used as a terrorist financing tool but overreaction could stifle an important new financial technology. He noted that there are very few instances where cryptocurrencies have been used for terrorism. However, the prospect of utilizing virtual currencies for terrorist activity has produced a significant response from many governments. Believing the response to be sensationalized, he states that:”Treating cryptocurrencies as an exceptional threat creates the misleading impression that more conventional financial products are not already equally, or more, vulnerable to terrorist exploitation.”
No need, terrorists will just support themselves with the use of bitcoin. Bitcoin offers anonymity, remember? Thats one of the bad things in the good thing about Bitcoin. Total anonymity and privacy. You can go swimming in the dark web for drugs and weapons and no one will know who made the purchase. It will be in the blockchain but so what? Addresses will still be in the form of jargon and unless someone (stupid) will claim that theyre the ones who made the deal. Unless the authorities will find ways to trace and track them down, these buyers will remain anonymous
Quote from: Amph on April 06, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
Exactly we have a freedom to used it where we want. As long as you know how to used it then you can. But I think even we are free to used it anywhere maybe we should be responsible and used it well. I hope no one will used it in a bad thing but sadly I agree that terrorists can used it also in their evil plans.
Bitcoins are not created to support terrorists. Because bitcoin is created for entrepreneurs.
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No need, terrorists will just support themselves with the use of bitcoin. Bitcoin offers anonymity, remember? Thats one of the bad things in the good thing about Bitcoin. Total anonymity and privacy. You can go swimming in the dark web for drugs and weapons and no one will know who made the purchase. It will be in the blockchain but so what? Addresses will still be in the form of jargon and unless someone (stupid) will claim that theyre the ones who made the deal. Unless the authorities will find ways to trace and track them down, these buyers will remain anonymous
In your ignorance you innocently forget a few thingsWhich instantly make your whole assumption meaningless. Namely, that you will have to get these drugs and weapons somehow. That means you should walk to a certain place in person and take them yourself. Now think if you are not in fact dealing with an undercover agent of some alphabet agency. Or do you as innocently assume that they don’t know about DarkWeb and Bitcoin? It is not like dice gambling where you can play without leaving your desktop via VPN. There is no VPN for “real life”, and you still have to make physical appearance, so to speak
There’s a big chance that bitcoin is being used to support terrorists or much probably they are already using it. Today’s terrorists are well equipped with intelligence and information and skilled personnel. It is easy for them to transact beyond the reach of the Government itself. Also, Most the financers are not willing to risk their anonymous status to show their support. That’s why they are looking for new way of hid there transactions.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bitcoin was an open source to anyone who will get interest into bitcoin. Now if one or some of the terorist has knowledge in bitcoin and know how to use it, bitcoin doesn’t know if we use it for good or bad purposes. Meaning, my answer is yes!
Quote from: masterwakokok7 on Today at 04:57:40 PM
There’s a big chance that bitcoin is being used to support terrorists or much probably they are already using it. Today’s terrorists are well equipped with intelligence and information and skilled personnel. It is easy for them to transact beyond the reach of the Government itself. Also, Most the financers are not willing to risk their anonymous status to show their support. That’s why they are looking for new way of hid there transactions.
Physical cash is the most anonymous way to transfer payments and groups such as ISIS have been using it for their operations ever since its formation. Bitcoin is very hard to trace (but not impossible to do so), but when you convert the Bitcoins to fiat cash, this anonymity is lost. That may be one of the reasons why the terror groups have shown little interest in BTC till now.
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Quote from: itsallpc on June 14, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
Just like US dollars,bitcoin is free to use for every one.Either it could be used for good or for illegal and terrorist activities.If terrorists want to use bitcoins,they have much better choice like Monero and Zcash which provide full anonymity.Bitcoin transactions could be easily traced since it is pseudo anonymous.
just like any other currency, terrorist may free to use any currency that they consider suitable to use, but in fact bitcoin is not yet so much popular and may be the terrorist are not so much educated to use computer and internet for using bitcoin.
Yes, it is true that bitcoin is anonymous and could be used in terrorist activity. In past it had used in terror activity but every problem has a solution in future there will be a system in front of us which will give us the safe way to use bitcoin for all purposes and will prevents from using bitcoin for terrorist activities.
Quote from: masterwakokok7 on Today at 04:57:40 PM
There’s a big chance that bitcoin is being used to support terrorists or much probably they are already using it. Today’s terrorists are well equipped with intelligence and information and skilled personnel. It is easy for them to transact beyond the reach of the Government itself. Also, Most the financers are not willing to risk their anonymous status to show their support. That’s why they are looking for new way of hid there transactions.
Probably, we cannot decide on what they would be spending bitcoins. I think that it happens now in another countries as well. We hopes that they would not join any terrorist and they will make bitcoins to be their fund, the reputation of bitcoins maybe in the going to low if it will happen. Just choose the right path guys.
Because the bitcoin properties of anonymous then bitcoin can be used negatively.I hope not many bitcoin users are bad guys.
Theres a possibility. But i think governments can monitor them. Since KYC policy is implemented. But terrorists can buy thru deepweb. There are selling weapons on black market on deepweb. Most of sites there are accepting bitcoin as payment. So the possibility is high.
Quote from: deadsilent on Today at 12:13:30 PM
Theres a possibility. But i think governments can monitor them. Since KYC policy is implemented. But terrorists can buy thru deepweb. There are selling weapons on black market on deepweb. Most of sites there are accepting bitcoin as payment. So the possibility is high.
There is no of moniter on bitcoin as it is been anonymous. I don’t think terrorists are using bitcoins for illegal activities. Actually people being in position as minister and president in the government only saving their corrupted money in the international banks and as bitcoin as well.
I don’t think bitcoin is used for some illegal activity at last for exchange bitcoin as currency or any goods there will be varification without proper varification hard to withdraw bitcoin money . Even if any suspicious transaction can be traced .
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Quote from: itsallpc on June 14, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
Just like US dollars,bitcoin is free to use for every one.Either it could be used for good or for illegal and terrorist activities.If terrorists want to use bitcoins,they have much better choice like Monero and Zcash which provide full anonymity.Bitcoin transactions could be easily traced since it is pseudo anonymous.
just like any other currency, terrorist may free to use any currency that they consider suitable to use, but in fact bitcoin is not yet so much popular and may be the terrorist are not so much educated to use computer and internet for using bitcoin.
Yes, it is true that bitcoin is anonymous and could be used in terrorist activity. In past it had used in terror activity but every problem has a solution in future there will be a system in front of us which will give us the safe way to use bitcoin for all purposes and will prevents from using bitcoin for terrorist activities.
Citation needed for this.Any real proof that a major terrorist network has used bitcoin to avoid anti money laundering policies and has successfully used bitcoins in it’s organization?And you system will go against everything that means bitcoin.Are you going to regulate and deny transactions in the block chain?You will first destroy bitcoin rather than stopping terrorist.
Since Bitcoin is free to use we can’t ask every single person to stop using bitcoin to do bad things or what, they can do whatever they want it is not impossible for that to happen, bitcoin was not created for that purpose but still its a matter of choice, i think they try to make bitcoin shut down if they are aware of it being used to support terrorist.
US Dollar has more blood on it than bitcoin will ever have. Everyone who claims that Bitcoin is primarily a tool used by terrorists or criminals is 100% hypocrite and bigot.I am really afraid that in the future when USA will try to fight with free money, this idiotic argument that Bitcoin=asset for terrorist will be exploited and Sheeple will eat it.US government used to support terrorist for many years, CIA officials are responsible for creating ISIS, escalating conflicts in the Middle East and everything that follows.
Quote from: deadsilent on June 25, 2017, 12:13:30 PM
Theres a possibility. But i think governments can monitor them. Since KYC policy is implemented. But terrorists can buy thru deepweb. There are selling weapons on black market on deepweb. Most of sites there are accepting bitcoin as payment. So the possibility is high.
Really?Do you think a terrorist group might be able to buy enough weapons from deepweb to support it’s actions?You know how much ammunition they would need to buy just for some small skirmish?Who will go to the post office and send 8kg of ammunition? You would have to be a total moron to do it.It’s far easier to just use cash in person rather than spend money and time on fake papers and to trust guys on deepweb which might be undercover cops.And yes, there were a lot of seller accounts created by the FBI on all major darknet markets that went down.
It can be used by terrorist or other bad organization.But bitcoin is not bad.It can used by everyone.I say that terrorist are problem therefore what are they used is not problem.
Quote from: pathapoddo on Today at 02:52:37 AM
It can be used by terrorist or other bad organization.But bitcoin is not bad.It can used by everyone.I say that terrorist are problem therefore what are they used is not problem.
agree with you, with anonymity of bitcoin, every people can used bitcoin no matter he is related with terrorist or not. but i think if we can make a good thing with bitcoin then why should we make it for bad thing? its still better to do a good thing in our life and make decent of money for our life and make our life is worth.
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Quote from: pathapoddo on Today at 02:52:37 AM
It can be used by terrorist or other bad organization.But bitcoin is not bad.It can used by everyone.I say that terrorist are problem therefore what are they used is not problem.
agree with you, with anonymity of bitcoin, every people can used bitcoin no matter he is related with terrorist or not. but i think if we can make a good thing with bitcoin then why should we make it for bad thing? its still better to do a good thing in our life and make decent of money for our life and make our life is worth.
That’s beyond the system control anymore, bitcoin is just a tool and it has its fixed function but if a person will decide to useit for illegal activities then it is his choice and it cannot be blame with bitcoin.If paper money is used for illegal activities like terrorism, how much more bitcoin which is more advance.
Quote from: lusiaga on June 22, 2017, 05:52:33 PM
Because the bitcoin properties of anonymous then bitcoin can be used negatively.I hope not many bitcoin users are bad guys.
You are right, actually bitcoins can be used for support terrorists and other illegal activities because bitcoins is for all of peoples good or bad guys all of peoples can use bitcoins but if bitcoins be used for bad something are like support terrorists, money laundering and other we can not blame bitcoins because everything depend on the user’s bitcoins.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
This is one of the reasons why I hate the media, they turn a new currency that is available to everyone to use, and they just paint it in such a bad way, people who are clueless about bitcoin will just hate it. Why are there never any news about “terrorist bought weapons with cash” because it isn’t interesting for the public, the only reason why bitcoin was mention here, was to catch people’s attention and we all know how powerful the media is. Why does the media address bitcoin as the issue, but not terrorism here. This is really starting to piss me off.
Well, we don’t know about that, but it might happen. I mean, the terrorists can easily use bitcoin as the payment for buy some weapons because it’s anonymous and it’s easy to use bitcoin and only need internet to transfer the money.
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Quote from: pathapoddo on Today at 02:52:37 AM
It can be used by terrorist or other bad organization.But bitcoin is not bad.It can used by everyone.I say that terrorist are problem therefore what are they used is not problem.
agree with you, with anonymity of bitcoin, every people can used bitcoin no matter he is related with terrorist or not. but i think if we can make a good thing with bitcoin then why should we make it for bad thing? its still better to do a good thing in our life and make decent of money for our life and make our life is worth.
That’s beyond the system control anymore, bitcoin is just a tool and it has its fixed function but if a person will decide to useit for illegal activities then it is his choice and it cannot be blame with bitcoin.If paper money is used for illegal activities like terrorism, how much more bitcoin which is more advance.
i am agree with you and in my mind, bitcoin is independent, not related with the good or the bad thing. only user will know what he want to do with his bitcoin. bitcoin itself is only a tool and everybody can used it by free even for just owning in their wallet. i think bitcoin and fiat is the same, is only user that could determine what is the function for him self.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
In my opinion, yes Bitcoin can be used to support terrorists and maybe, while we are talking about this, some transactions were made for this kind of funding. This result of Bitcoin can not be denied.
Actually no one knows about it. Because nobody knows about a person’s goals in the transaction because of decentralization so nobody will know. So many people just guess about terrorists who use bitcoin in their transactions Just because the bitcoin is anonymous
With the current status of bitcoin, anybody can use bitcoin and nobody will know who did what and who received what. Of course no one will want to be known to be a terrorist so the best way to transact will be through bitcoin. It is on this note that most authorities, governments included, are reluctant to adopt the use of bitcoin. I think it will take sometime and so many formalities for bitcoin to be universally accepted.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
In my opinion, yes Bitcoin can be used to support terrorists and maybe, while we are talking about this, some transactions were made for this kind of funding. This result of Bitcoin can not be denied.
Well, anything can be used to support terrorists. There are no exceptions. Bitcoin may be used as with all kinds of fiat currencies. FB may be used as also with twitter, television, radio, and you know what? Even religion is not spared. Even god is used to support terrorists, right? So there is really no special thing about bitcoin if it will be used to support them. The right of course, as you all know, is that there should not be a single thing to be used to support them. Instead, things should be used to stop all them.
I think this is very possible, bitcoin transactions are anonymous so that anyone who uses is not detected, I’m sure terrorists and illegal transactions are now using bitcoins.
Quote from: chalkboard17 on Today at 05:08:09 PM
I think bitcoin is being used to support terrorists. Money is used for bad purposes, right? So do bitcoin. If something has value, it will be abused for many other things. The war between good and evil will never over
That’s right it’s the same thing if to ask “has dollar been used for terrorists support?”. Bitcoin is the same money like fiat, if you know how to use it - there are no borders for the use.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bad people will always try to misuse things for their own personal gains, it’s no doubt that bitcoins will be used to finance terrorism by people who would want their involvement to be anonymous, I think on that front, I support a regulation of the currency.
Yes bitcoin may be used to support terrorists and at the same time it can be used to help and support poor and needy people too. Just like fiat bitcoin too can be used and misused. If any one of us or if the government of any country think that bitcoin has or may make things easier for terrorists or criminals then it’s not true because the terrorism came into existence even when there were no bitcoins. It’s the loopholes in government machinery because of which governments all over the world have failed to curb terrorism and there’s no fault of bitcoin in it. And that’s not a fair reason to blame bitcoin of anything wrong happening in this world using bitcoin.
I think bitcoin is being used to support terrorists. Money is used for bad purposes, right? So do bitcoin. If something has value, it will be abused for many other things. The war between good and evil will never over
Quote from: chalkboard17 on Today at 05:08:09 PM
I think bitcoin is being used to support terrorists. Money is used for bad purposes, right? So do bitcoin. If something has value, it will be abused for many other things. The war between good and evil will never over
Lot of transactions for the terrorists need might have taken place through bitcoin, though bitcoin is not familiar around similar to USD which is the most used asset for all illegal transactions. In the beginning bitcoin was completely used for illegal and gambling purpose which has slowly grown to this level in the short.
bitcoin is already being used by many bad guys. but that does not mean that we should do anything to bitcoin because of that. if there was no bitcoin then those bad guys will use any kind of money but still, the will do whatever they are doing. everyone has equal rights on using bitcoin no matter what is the reason of using it but both good and bad uses it. if media wants to highlight these points mainly then they are free to do it and I don’t think it will affect the bitcoin price because almost anyone knows that how bad bitcoin is being used for.
Now bitcoin is already in use by bad guys because bitcoin they can earn money ,, and the money is used for uncertain things.
It is already being used but we cannot do anything about it. Terrorist will use FIAT or any other form of payment as long as it fits in their agenda and helps them achieve their goals. The good thing is that FIAT like dollar is responsible for 99% of terror attacks and only 1% is funded through bitcoin.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
In my opinion, yes Bitcoin can be used to support terrorists and maybe, while we are talking about this, some transactions were made for this kind of funding. This result of Bitcoin can not be denied.
Bitcoin will be ” bad ” if it’s use to something illegal like terrorism. Bitcoin itself has nothing to do with this activity. This will all depend on how the person use this, will it be use in good or bad it doesn’t matter because bitcoin is pseudonym and no one can control this.
This is the side of weakness if everything anonymous, I’m sure the factor bitcoin price increase due to the high demand for funding terrorists and illegal transactions such as drugs, illegal weapons and so on.
Offcourse bitcoin can fund terrorism just like any fiat. Let me make it clear that the main funders of terrorists are none but governments of many countries. Such governments can easily fund terrorist with fiat without getting caught as they are in direct contact with them.Now lets come to bitcoin. Bitcoin can indeed be used to fund terrorism, but there will be a path; the path may well be encrypted, but there will still be a path. Bitcoin will present tools that the state may well choose to use to track terrorist funding. Which wasn’t possible with fiat.
Some people abuse the use of bitcoin one of bitcoin become major payment instrument in the sale and purchase of illegal goods / services on the Deep Web site. Deep Web is a site that can not be accessed by ordinary browsers and can not be found in search engines, where it is more like an illegal market that sells illegal drugs, illegal goods even to the killer.The reason why Bitcoin is chosen by them is because Bitcoin is free from rules, it is unfettered and affected by the global economy. Anonymous or unidentified transactions also further safeguard the secrecy of this Bitcoin transaction.
unfortunately this might happen in the future! being untraceable bitcoin can be used in criminal activities
Bitcoin is just a virtual currency. It’s just an anonymous means of payment
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Quote from: chalkboard17 on July 07, 2017, 05:08:09 PM
I think bitcoin is being used to support terrorists. Money is used for bad purposes, right? So do bitcoin. If something has value, it will be abused for many other things. The war between good and evil will never over
Lot of transactions for the terrorists need might have taken place through bitcoin, though bitcoin is not familiar around similar to USD which is the most used asset for all illegal transactions. In the beginning bitcoin was completely used for illegal and gambling purpose which has slowly grown to this level in the short.
Two claims with no support.Where do you get this “lots” from? I’ve already said it, for a terrorist organisation bitcoin is a pain in the ass that is posing more problems than it solves.Second one… “completely” ?Yeah , sure. Search the forum a bit, you’ll be amazed how many legal things were being sold and bought well before darknet markets.After all, the first thing that was ever bought with BTC was a pizza not coke.
It is pretty possible. Btc provides anonimyty and it’s safe to use as for normal people, so as for terrorists, but I doeson’t meen that btc should be banned. Terorist also use cars but we don’t bann them, do we?
Quote from: Amph on April 06, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
that doesn’t make bitcoin bad, everyone is free to use bitcoin, and you can’t deny them no matter what they are or from where they come from, this is also part of the decentralizationwhat matter is that they don’t see bitcoin as a bad tool only because bad guys are using it, the same terrorists can easily use cash or electronic payment, therefore the problem are terrorist not what they use
Bitcoin is cash also, so it can use like money or fiat there such information from other link that bitcoin can use from illegal products using bitcoin. There are place or market from the internet that you can buy an illegal fire arms and also illegal products that you want.
Perhaps it is because of this factor that some governments prohibit use of bitcoin in various countries, which sometimes bitcoin is used only as a means of illegal transactions for those who have bad intentions.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Bitcoin is going to be used for all kind of purposes, from those that are altruistic in nature to those that seek to damage society, that is just the way it is and there is nothing to be done about it, that is the way bitcoin is designed, you dont need an id to create your wallet and you don’t need any kind of KYC in order to receive coins, your coins cannot be frozen by a third party if you have control of your wallet, so unfortunately the answer to your question is yes.
It can happen, we all know that bitcoin has the feture of being anonymous, so using bitcoin on transactions with terrorist or any illegal tradingis a big advantage for them.
We should worry about this. I believe that in future, when every person could pay for every thing by bitcoin and other crypto currency, we’ll figure out how to make the currency safe
Since one of the principles of working with crypto currency is its anonymity, it is possible that bitcoin will be used by terrorists. But from this tragedy it is not worth doing. Virtually all can be used for good, and with a bad purpose.
There is no currency in the world that has not been used by the terrorist in other to perpetrate their activities, and that does stop the uses of those currency till today. Bitcoin is for everyone who care to use it without deprivation of who to use or who not to use.
There is surely an involvement of bitcoin with the terrorists but the only thing that amuses me is even if terrorists somehow get bitcoin how are they able to convert it in cash as many terrorists reside in areas were civilisation is over because of the destruction they caused I’m sure there is surely a government involvement
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
This is possible as we all know that the person who will transfer and receive the bitcoin is untraceable (maybe), with this i think government will take their step to regulate bitcoin-to-fiat money services to control the amount that you can withdraw money, with this regulation i think they can still suppress the money that the terrorists can get, and government must also regulate the shops that accepts bitcoin in exchange of things or firearms (maybe there is existing but i do not know). If this will not be regulated, i think Government will just willing to pass a bill that activates the illegality of using bitcoin in their country.
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There is surely an involvement of bitcoin with the terrorists but the only thing that amuses me is even if terrorists somehow get bitcoin how are they able to convert it in cash as many terrorists reside in areas were civilisation is over because of the destruction they caused I’m sure there is surely a government involvement
I think bitcoin and fiat are bot used for good and bad, it just depends who is presenting the information in the media.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
No one support terrorist. example police use their gun for safety If people used that for bad thing.then will you say that gun made for terrorist? All people can use bitcoin.But matter is are you using bitcoin in right way or wrong way.
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Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
No one support terrorist. example police use their gun for safety If people used that for bad thing.then will you say that gun made for terrorist? All people can use bitcoin.But matter is are you using bitcoin in right way or wrong way.
We cannot control how people should spend their money and so just as the bad guys use fiat to perpetuate crimes I’m sure they can use Bitcoin for the wrong things too because we cannot control what they buy with their bitcoins just as their dollars or euro.
Well it is true that bitcoin is used to support terrorist. We all know that bitcoin is anonymous so it is pretty easy to send it.to the terrorists and they used it in illegal transactions and also used it to buy some guns . It is pretty easy to send big amount of money in bitcoin than in fiat because they pretty easy to detect that they are sending big amount of fiat
Some countries are already supporting terrorist groups in syria. You should be seeing this. They do this openly, they give terrorists financial aid, and weapons. So nobody needs bitcoin to support terrorist.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
Killing BTC will not equate to killing terrorism or any terrorist organization for that matter. Killing money perhaps might cripple them big time. My point is that terrorism is grounded on an idea or a belief if you want. You will not kill them by cutting those monetary or financial forms of support. Even if they don’t have money, they are more than willing to make hostages, kidnappings, looting, and so many others to make their terrorist goals alive.
Quote from: NorrisK on April 06, 2017, 08:46:51 AM
They are already using fiat for their financial needs. Bitcoin does not directly enable them to do more. It could make certain transactions easier though, but the same goes for any new technology. Bad people can always use it for their purposes as well. Does this mean we should stop technology development?
Correct, should we ban telephones or computers because some people are using them not only for terrorist acts but they are also using it to arrange common crimes, like theft and similar crimes? The answer is no, every technology can be used for good and evil and bitcoin is no different.
If it has value then yes. Anything that has value can be useful to people. If something is useful to you then turns out it will be useful to others as well. (including terrorists) Bitcoin will be used by terrorists if they can use it for something which they can. You can think of bitcoin as the messenger, you don’t kill the messenger.
Any currency could be used to support terrorists,especially USD and bitcoin has nothing to do with it.Since bitcoin is pseudo anonymous,it could be easily traced.So,if any one wishes to fund terrorists,they might use zcash or monero which is fully anonymous.
I’m not sure about the usage of bitcoin for terrorism. As a whole I find bitcoin being used for illegal activities and this is all because of the decentralized functioning where the transaction is transparent while the end users were anonymous.
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I’m not sure about the usage of bitcoin for terrorism. As a whole I find bitcoin being used for illegal activities and this is all because of the decentralized functioning where the transaction is transparent while the end users were anonymous.
But Bitcoin already has been used for financing terrorism. Some investigation about terrorist attacks have shown that. Unfortunately, terrorists also watch closely the developement of tecnologies and everythin that could help them te finance their activities easier and with more anonimity so that can’t be avoided. And because of such activities some people still consider Bitcoin as something bad and illegal.
This is certainly bad news for all of us, because one of the advantages of using bitcoin is its untrackable transaction, but it can makes dangerous in other side. For example bitcoin used for terrorism, this will make bitcoin image look bad, but I hope not to make bitcoin become illegal.
Yes BTC is also use for terrorist actions . Gun for Hire there’s a website but you cannot go easily this is DEEP WEB . They hire person to kill and pay Bitcoins Terrorist like ISIS Islamic State in Iraq Also get a financial support hire in some of government . to claim this easy and cannot track the transactions . so the easy way is BITCOINS.Read here: https://securityintelligence.com/isis-are-they-using-bitcoins-to-fund-criminal-activities/
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Well it is true that bitcoin is used to support terrorist. We all know that bitcoin is anonymous so it is pretty easy to send it.to the terrorists and they used it in illegal transactions and also used it to buy some guns . It is pretty easy to send big amount of money in bitcoin than in fiat because they pretty easy to detect that they are sending big amount of fiat
to me i personally have no clear idea bout that. but i think that it is possible just like other currencies but i think that bitcoin is a new currency therefore it may still not be using for such kind of activities.
Its already been used and being used in criminal activities. With bitcoin, terrorists can buy weapons in the deep web and not be traced. Recently theres a big crackdown on a big criminal case that have something to do with bitcoin. Apparently theres a virtual Silk Road out there on the interweb wherein illegal drugs are traded, sold and bought, with some people using Bitcoin as payment. But take note that while Bitcoin is used by criminals, it is not its objective to support them
The poster above me is correct, it has been for so many years specially on the deep web transactions, that’s why i said on my another post here that it may support terrorist, since the transactions are untraceable and there are also deep web which sells guns but as far as i know those stores have been closed already, i just hope government on each country, will take part on legalizing bitcoin and regulating it, with that step we can still prevent terrorist using bitcoin as their money for buying their arms.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
All old details that proved that the Bitcoin supported many illegal activities but in the last 3-4 years you can see most of the people get fails to use in bad way because the people now aware and they jave better way/platforms to make buy and sell of btc and they are not facing much problems to deal for thier btc that they have .And also in the recent years you can see that many countries made rules and regulated the Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency to use in legal way .So most of the people never sells or buy Bitcoin from any person , so in this way no one can use it for illegal purpose . And also herr a big factor is that if any person will use the Bitcoin for illegal purpose , and suppose he sold Bitcoin then he need to give statement that from wgere he got the money and he need to gige all details and data , so here chances to use Bitcoin in bad way are very less .
Obviously if they maximize the function of bitcoin it will be very helpful for the terrorists, because its use is anonymous and they will be difficult in detection for the transactions they use,
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I’m not sure about the usage of bitcoin for terrorism. As a whole I find bitcoin being used for illegal activities and this is all because of the decentralized functioning where the transaction is transparent while the end users were anonymous.
But Bitcoin already has been used for financing terrorism. Some investigation about terrorist attacks have shown that. Unfortunately, terrorists also watch closely the developement of tecnologies and everythin that could help them te finance their activities easier and with more anonimity so that can’t be avoided. And because of such activities some people still consider Bitcoin as something bad and illegal.
They use USD more that bitcoin. So, USD is “bad and illegal”, am I right?
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
I knows the story of a thief who turns all stolen money into BTC. He was caught and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Police not were able to recover money. The guy will serve 10 years and then he will be a millionaire for the rest of his life. Where money is there and evil. It will always be. Unfortunately, it is natural.
The possibility of using them for the crime they are designing, the US dollar is also used for things that are not desirable, all would be bad if true terrorists use bitcoin as a fund for crime and others.
Bitcoin can be used for any purpose including terrorism. But since bitcoin is not a hundred percent anonymous then it is not a big deal. The authorities can certainly trace it if it happens. Criminals and law enforcement learn continuously to beat each other. That’s the life cycle!
Since the crypto currency is relatively complete anonymity in transactions, it is possible that the digital currency will be used by bad people for their own mercenary purposes. However, the tragedy of this should not be done. Every thing, including a virtual one, can be used both for the benefit of the community and for harming the community. With this nothing will be done.
Quote from: Doofus on April 06, 2017, 05:34:27 AM
On March 8th, Cheollima Civil Defense(CCD) released a video on its website claiming: Han Sol, the son of Kim Jong Nam, and two other family members were met quickly and relocated to safety. And they receive bitcoin for financial support. http://news.8btc.com/bitcoin-plays-a-role-in-humanitarian-assistance This is something nice to do. But what if bitcoin be used to support some bad organizations, even terrorists? Is this already happening? What i am worrying is if bitcoin be widely used for bad things, negative news would be all over and bitcoin price will drop. It will lead to tougher regulation. Do u think world leaders are willing to kill btc to make sure they can fight terrirists?
May. Because when Bitcoin transactions users do not need to disclose personal information. Criminals will take advantage of this to be illegal.
Quote from: Naughtis on August 03, 2017, 09:17:40 AM
Since it is hard to track where is the location of the sender and receiver of bitcoin then it can be an advantage for the people who will use bitcoin for bad purposes such as supporting the terrorists because they have the confidence that they can’t be tracked down so they will just use bitcoin without having any doubts or even fear.
It may take sometime but I know FBI claim that they can track bitcoin user as long as there is a connection between the identity of the suspected address to the persons identity. Bitcoin is not fully anonymous and the ledger is very transparent . This means, bitcoin movement can be tagged and eventually track the person using it. But we cannot remove the fact that Bitcoin or any kind of currency can be used if the person wanted to, to support terrorists.
Quote from: Hydrogen on Today at 04:49:57 AM
If state surveillance groups tracked down BTC-E money laundering, they should also be able to track down money laundering transactions in crypto by terrorists, drug cartels and other illicit groups.The claim of crypto obfuscating transactions making them impossible to track no longer applies, assuming it ever did.If an evil genius deigned the perfect currency for criminals, it likely wouldn’t have a public ledger the way bitcoin does. The arguments of bitcoin being designed for use by criminals reflects more propaganda than real world data.
Tracking is one thing, but recovering money from BTC is practically impossible if you do not have the keys. That is why it is becoming more and more popular. Money is easier to detect …
Just as much as the dollar is used to help terrorists.
If state surveillance groups tracked down BTC-E money laundering, they should also be able to track down money laundering transactions in crypto by terrorists, drug cartels and other illicit groups.The claim of crypto obfuscating transactions making them impossible to track no longer applies, assuming it ever did.If an evil genius deigned the perfect currency for criminals, it likely wouldn’t have a public ledger the way bitcoin does. The arguments of bitcoin being designed for use by criminals reflects more propaganda than real world data.
Quote from: NorrisK on April 06, 2017, 08:46:51 AM
They are already using fiat for their financial needs. Bitcoin does not directly enable them to do more. It could make certain transactions easier though, but the same goes for any new technology. Bad people can always use it for their purposes as well. Does this mean we should stop technology development?
All people can use Bitcoin, include terrorist also can use it. but the problem is not on BTC, but the people that use it. because there’s no security check for the bitcoin users, which one is good people and which one is not.
Quote from: Hydrogen on Today at 04:49:57 AM
If state surveillance groups tracked down BTC-E money laundering, they should also be able to track down money laundering transactions in crypto by terrorists, drug cartels and other illicit groups.The claim of crypto obfuscating transactions making them impossible to track no longer applies, assuming it ever did.If an evil genius deigned the perfect currency for criminals, it likely wouldn’t have a public ledger the way bitcoin does. The arguments of bitcoin being designed for use by criminals reflects more propaganda than real world data.
I cent percent agree with your views on this topic.More over it is true that no one can stop bad, even though how many N number of precautions you take against it.The logic behind it is there is no existence of GOOD with out this BAD.
IMO it could, but so do other currency, for now on btc might be a bit untracable and it used networks rather than online payment which used banking transfer.But hey terrorrist around the world use cash eg; dollar,euro, even oil to trade and gaining profit. So if they found other sources that would make them feel safer then why not
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